00:00:05:01 - 00:00:06:19 Stephanie Hi, I'm Stephanie.

00:00:06:21 - 00:00:19:10 Seth I'm Seth, and this is the Forever Young show. The most powerful force in this world is a woman who knows who she is, why she is here, and what she wants to accomplish.

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00:00:40:18 - 00:01:07:08 Seth So let's get this show on the road. You have this most unique look like background, but. And maybe I'm. Maybe I'm. You know, you can correct me. I'm gonna. I'm thinking of yin and yang here. Okay? But I've always been intrigued by your by this yin and yang thing that you've got going on, at least from an outsider's perspective.

00:01:07:12 - 00:01:13:10 Seth Yeah. You're an attorney in the, in the pharmaceutical world, right? Right.

00:01:13:12 - 00:01:17:05 Darleene And I stuff. That's the biggest part. Pharmaceuticals and medical devices. Yeah.

00:01:17:07 - 00:01:48:08 Seth Right. And you defend your firm, defends companies against lawsuits, right? From from consumers. Right? Right. On the other hand, and I'm not going to say if that's the yin and the yang, I don't know. You know, I don't know. It's just it's one of them. Right. Yeah. And then on the other hand, you're this double certified health and wellness and nutrition coach to help potentially those same consumers.

00:01:48:10 - 00:01:49:09 Darleene Yes.

00:01:49:11 - 00:01:51:15 Seth But yeah. How does this.

00:01:51:15 - 00:02:18:12 Darleene Happen? But you know, what's funny is one working on this side has opened my eyes to a lot of the good that, you know, these these companies. Let's just be quite honest. Get a bad rep a lot of times. But they also do a tremendous amount of good. And I can honestly tell you, for the companies at least, that we have represented, I have never, ever felt like they were doing anything fraudulent, questionable, unethical.

00:02:18:14 - 00:02:45:16 Darleene So that's what helps. Now, you know, certainly if I was working for some companies who may not have had such a reputation, then there might be some conflict there. I see what you're saying. But then also keep in mind that I take medications. sure. Medicines are you know, I know some people have their opinions about medicines and all natural approaches and things of that nature.

00:02:45:16 - 00:03:07:15 Darleene But when my doctor diagnosed me with pre-diabetes, I took the metformin. so again, I think medicine helps to. So a lot of problems that we have in this world. so that's partly why I think I'm a good voice for it, because it lends some credibility to sometimes the one sided stories that you hear.

00:03:07:17 - 00:03:13:12 Seth I was just going to say, you definitely are not just a one trumpet band.

00:03:13:14 - 00:03:20:18 Darleene Nobody can probably attest you just said or did that. was a lawyer and a politician. We know politicians get a bad rap, but.

00:03:20:18 - 00:03:21:17 Seth And rightfully so.

00:03:21:17 - 00:03:25:18 Darleene I mean that they all,

00:03:25:20 - 00:03:38:19 Seth I just, I know he's going to listen to this episode at some point. I know he's a closet listener. He's got to be a closet listener. Even this is primarily a show for women, but I just thought I'd give a jab to my father in law.

00:03:38:21 - 00:03:44:10 Stephanie I was going to say probably only when he hears that, you know, we brought him up.

00:03:44:12 - 00:03:45:05 Darleene Yet.

00:03:45:07 - 00:03:56:05 Seth We'll tell him to play needle in a haystack. We're not going to tell him which episode or the time signature, but. But there is a special gift for you, dad, in one of the episodes. You're gonna love it.

00:03:56:07 - 00:03:58:00 Darleene And figure it out.

00:03:58:02 - 00:04:02:21 Stephanie What are you most passionate about right now? And what are you doing about it?

00:04:02:23 - 00:04:28:10 Darleene Sure. So that's a I can't say it's just one thing. So one thing as I particularly as I get older and I will admit I'm in the 50 and up club, my health and wellness has been a huge priority for me for recent years. It actually started some time ago when I began, when I entered my 40s, and I began to just become more consistent and diligent about my health.

00:04:28:12 - 00:04:48:15 Darleene then of course, we progressed up until now, we saw with the pandemic how important your health were. If there was a time when people learned how important your health and wellness was, it was then. So I've just been on a mission to be as healthy as I can be. Because one thing I realize is that your health affects so many other dimensions of your life.

00:04:48:15 - 00:05:12:08 Darleene So I approach health and wellness from a holistic perspective. So it's not just about the exercise and the green smoothies and that stuff. It's about everything. It's about my environment, my occupation, my social support that I try to incorporate and analyze all those wellness dimensions because one thing relies on another. And I know we were going to speak about this further, but my health and wellness also ties into my financial wellness.

00:05:12:08 - 00:05:36:06 Darleene So in other words, how can I provide for my family? How can I leave a legacy? How can I secure my future? Because of course, I don't plan on working forever. So my health and wellness has certainly been a priority. And then, since becoming certified in the last few years, I've just been more committed and more passionate about helping others and particularly those in the legal profession, because it's such an unhealthy profession.

00:05:36:07 - 00:05:49:12 Darleene Well, it's known to be an unhealthy profession. So, that's that part of my goal is to think that I'm just strong enough and excited enough that I can maybe change something for someone in this profession.

00:05:49:14 - 00:06:16:15 Seth That's an interesting thing. I don't think we I don't think we think about I don't think maybe it's because if we were to talk about professions, and, and the like if there was a compassion ometer. Right. Like, like how much compassion do. It's just the typical. Does the population base have toward teachers, right. Or just have toward a doctor, have toward nurses?

00:06:16:15 - 00:06:44:10 Seth I bet nurses are going to be high in there unless you have a bad nurse. Experience is probably gonna be low, right. But various, you know, various careers. And I just have this crazy gut feeling that the compassion ometer when we talk about attorneys, unless you're an attorney, it might not even register. You know it, right? It might be like when you're at the at the county fair and you know, you've got the hammer and you're going to just slam that thing and see how far goes.

00:06:44:12 - 00:07:11:04 Seth It just like duds, like, yeah, there's probably not a lot of compassion for attorneys. We in fact, we joke about our son and we love him. He's he's amazing. And, and he's got an amazing profession. And I don't think we really think about the health of etern of attorneys that often particularly like the integrative, holistic, total health that we are always talking about on this show, which is mind body.

00:07:11:06 - 00:07:24:08 Seth Yeah. And and money, you know, which yet outside of spirituality which again kind of touches all of those but especially the mind outside of spirituality, those are like the big three that affect everything else.

00:07:24:10 - 00:07:38:07 Stephanie Right? Well, even growing up with my father as an attorney, you know, I, I guess I just always looked at him as dad. So I never really thought about merging those two together, you know? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that brings a whole new perspective.

00:07:38:13 - 00:07:58:04 Darleene And I think so many people look at it as, you know, it's one of the big three doctors, lawyers, that you don't really think about the stresses that associated with the successes and the demands of that particular profession. So and then, like you said, unless you walk in our shoes, sometimes you really don't know the pressures that we face, both within our organizations, clients and just the profession.

00:07:58:06 - 00:08:00:05 Darleene So I'm committed to make some change.

00:08:00:10 - 00:08:16:09 Seth That's awesome. Take us in those shoes. Okay. Well, you know, we we have a couple. Well, obviously we have a lot of other questions, but take us in those shoes for a moment and and we can develop some compassion. Right. We can we can understand that. What are the issues like I know you've been speaking like you've been speak.

00:08:16:09 - 00:08:38:00 Seth You're the you're almost the go to speaker when it comes to health. And we're oh, we got we got an attorney's conference or whatever, you know, attorney con or lawyer con or whatever we're going to call it. Right? little litigation con and, we, we, you know, we need to have somebody speak about about health and wellness, you know, so these attorneys don't continue to drop like flies.

00:08:38:01 - 00:08:42:17 Seth Yes. get Dr. Peters, walk us through that. Walk us through that. Oh.

00:08:42:17 - 00:09:09:07 Darleene In addition to this profession being one of the most unhealthy professions around, it's also one of the least diverse. And again, I don't necessarily expect people who are outside of this profession to know that because it's just not the type of news story or information that you come across readily. So part of that is the reason why I am doing what I'm doing, because one women leave the profession in droves.

00:09:09:07 - 00:09:31:15 Darleene And interestingly, they leave at a time when they it's almost reached my level when they've been in the profession for quite some time and they decide it's time to go. So quite often they leave the law firm settings, sometimes they leave the profession itself, and they do a different, excuse me, different things. So sometimes I think that's attributed to burnout in the profession because again, it is demanding.

00:09:31:17 - 00:09:51:13 Darleene But also I think I like it. Part of me likes it because I feel like it's a permission slip that women are taking advantage of to say, hey, it is not too late for me to reinvent myself. So when we look at the numbers with the women, which is sometimes very dismal, when there has not been much growth in terms of women rising through the ranks, and when they rise again, they fall off.

00:09:51:13 - 00:10:15:00 Darleene It's that that, glass cliff theory. But when we break it down further into women of color, the reports are really very dismal. And I have had my moments when I have questioned, why am I here? Am I here for a reason? Should I stay here? And I will be honest? Study I continually examine and reexamine and ask myself those questions.

00:10:15:04 - 00:10:34:02 Darleene Where is my season up? Is it time for me to do something else where I can make more of an impact or difference? So the goal. The good thing with me is once I became certified in the nutrition coaching in the Health and wellness coaching, initially I had all these thoughts of coaching women individually. Well, that as we know, is very time consuming.

00:10:34:04 - 00:10:55:14 Darleene So I tried to figure out what we can I coach, still make an impact and spread my message. And then from there it was almost again. You manifest it, you pray about it. I'm a very spiritual person, which is part of my wellness. The opportunity started to just open up as people started to hear about me. As I started to write, people would contact me, oh, I read your article.

00:10:55:14 - 00:11:15:00 Darleene Oh hey, can you repurpose an article for this journal? Can you speak at this conference? Because it's an article. It's an issue that certainly the profession is still dealing with. And they they're open to ideas about it. So I will say that the good thing is the legal profession, it's very open minded to hearing ideas. They may be slow to implement because this is something different.

00:11:15:00 - 00:11:32:19 Darleene We're not as lawyers, we're not really taught to deal with health and wellness issues. We solve money problems or we solve. Yeah, because we're doing criminal work. We solve those type of problems that this is unique. So I think the good thing for me is I can present a firsthand perspective of, look, this is how it is for a woman in the profession.

00:11:32:19 - 00:11:48:20 Darleene This is how it is for a woman of color in the profession. And these are some of the things that we can do to support women and to enhance our organizations, enhance productivity. If you don't have healthy workers, you're not going to have a healthy organization out of mind. It's it's going to bottom out at some point.

00:11:48:22 - 00:12:06:17 Seth So it's a long game. It is a long game. And you have to have faith. And I mean, that's wellness in it of itself. But you know you're what I what I think is beautiful here is, is that you're applying the wellness to a profession. And sometimes I think a wellness is like a kind of solve my own problems.

00:12:06:17 - 00:12:49:19 Seth Right. I've got to solve this specific health concern, which is totally valid, right? Yes. But it sounds like you're carrying this banner of how does that in the individual investment, which is critical because you're one of the highest, most highly paid and highest stress professions in the world. Right. how can we cause this individual change to actually impact the, the profession as a whole, which again, and, and admittedly, a profession that's behind you when it comes to a, you know, the, the, the kind of the holistic trifecta, you know, health approach.

00:12:49:21 - 00:12:52:14 Darleene Yeah, absolutely. So I'm helping them hopefully get there.

00:12:52:17 - 00:13:15:07 Seth Do you find that most of your audience within the profession is women? Because on the one hand, there aren't a lot of women comparatively. I mean, there are plenty of women attorneys, of course, but when we when we do the comparison right, the numbers, they're not there. And then again, women in the African-American community, and, and other communities.

00:13:15:07 - 00:13:25:12 Seth Right? Yeah. that fall within that umbrella of women of color. Who do you find that you're speaking to? And, and who's receiving that message? I should say.

00:13:25:14 - 00:13:56:18 Darleene Sure. Interestingly, while I do think I am presenting it from the female perspective and I say, I'll say globally or holistically, I'm presenting it from a female perspective, I am finding that the audiences are mixed, male and female, and what I am also finding is that the men don't talk about it as much as women. And I think that's in part because just a male stereotypes that are just perpetuated throughout society, not just in the legal profession, that we're strong, we're supposed to be strong, we're supposed to be the leaders.

00:13:57:00 - 00:14:26:21 Darleene This is, again, has always been a male dominated industry. So the males are probably hesitant to say that they struggle. But I have seen instances where men have, given their stories or given their stories of family members. and so I think the concern is for themselves and recognizing themselves in whatever picture I paint as to what a struggling lawyer looks like, no matter what level you are in in the profession, but also how can I support those around me?

00:14:26:23 - 00:14:43:09 Darleene And also how does it affect those around me? So in other words, it's very difficult to separate the professional life from the personal side. I mean, think about it. You have a bad day at work and you go home. You're not going to be present. You're not going to be engaged. It's just it just doesn't happen and vice versa.

00:14:43:09 - 00:15:05:20 Darleene I have an argument with your significant other when you walk into your office door, or if you're working from remotely, whenever you turn that work light on or that work hat on, it is going to affect you. And then maybe momentarily, maybe you can deal with it for a moment, but it stays with you. So I think people are now realizing how their health and wellness is overlapping into other areas that can suffer.

00:15:06:01 - 00:15:25:12 Darleene And of course, we all know when you are suffering mentally, you don't make the best decisions. So that comes in terms of your finances. That can come in terms of your diet, exercise or lack thereof. Your social networking people become withdrawn. you may turn to other sources for comfort such as alcohol or just some type of addiction.

00:15:25:12 - 00:15:35:17 Darleene And that's why I'm glad to see now that the the the minds are opening up to receive these ideas, because my audiences have been mixed, male and female.

00:15:35:18 - 00:16:01:03 Seth Where are you telling me recently about who's having a conversation about European workweeks and or maybe. Oh, no. Oh, no is paternity leave. Oh, it's paternity leave. And talking about kind of just that holistic mental health and mental, you know, family support affecting, the family at a whole because I was kind of like.

00:16:01:05 - 00:16:26:20 Stephanie Well, you know, typically in America you have maybe a week, you know, if you're lucky, you might have a couple of weeks. I in my first marriage, you know, my ex-husband only had a couple of days to take off when I gave birth, and. Right. So, you know, in the last several years, I've found out that especially like in Europe or other places, I'll give him, like a year off or one place, even gave two years off.

00:16:26:22 - 00:16:27:12 Darleene Of.

00:16:27:14 - 00:16:38:01 Stephanie Paid leave. And they found that when they did that, that they came back and performed even better. And so I was telling Seth about that, and he was like, what?

00:16:38:03 - 00:17:03:04 Seth I'm thinking, like running a business. And I'm thinking, are you kidding me? Like, like our son, you know, our son who who works for, I think the largest, I don't know how to typify, but the largest, or one of the largest firms in the U.S. right here. But, just just graduated from Columbia Law School, got an incredible job working his guts out.

00:17:03:05 - 00:17:28:18 Seth He's he's he's going into his second. He's in his second year, you know, and I mean, you know how that is. He's doing corporate life and the grind. It is nothing but grind right. Like he's not he's not coming to family dinner. But but our daughter in law and the grandkids are because he's, you know, at some, you know, forsaken hour of the day working.

00:17:28:20 - 00:17:31:03 Seth but he gets something. Was it three months?

00:17:31:03 - 00:17:33:10 Stephanie Six months, I think 12 weeks.

00:17:33:11 - 00:17:51:08 Seth Yeah, I think it's 12 weeks. I think it was a number. And I was like, how? Again, I'm thinking very, very traditionally. historically maybe. And I'm thinking, what does that mean? Like, if you want to take off, that's fine. But like, you get paid for that.

00:17:51:10 - 00:17:51:15 Darleene Right?

00:17:51:15 - 00:18:02:11 Seth You get paid for that. And until Steph like and again, I've always kind of been like, are you kidding me? You get back to work. Let's go. All right. You're good. The baby's good. And I'm a pretty doggone compassionate guy. Yeah, I feel like.

00:18:02:13 - 00:18:05:01 Stephanie Yeah, I'm. Yeah.

00:18:05:03 - 00:18:06:07 Seth And that's good most of the time.

00:18:06:07 - 00:18:12:16 Stephanie I mean, is anybody compassionate 100% of the time? Maybe some moms right now.

00:18:12:19 - 00:18:17:15 Seth You're you're you're toward the top of the list of people I know in the world, and you still have your moments.

00:18:17:20 - 00:18:18:11 Stephanie It's true.

00:18:18:11 - 00:18:38:05 Seth Right. But but but I would like to I guess what I'd like to say is, you know, having been involved and this is a little off topic, but, I want to start a little I want to stir up the pot here. You know, having been involved in the birth of our last two children, like, they're pretty intensely involved in the bathtub, right?

00:18:38:05 - 00:18:43:10 Seth Together, we were like, hey, let's have a party. Let's do it. All three of us, right? You and me and the baby.

00:18:43:12 - 00:18:44:16 Stephanie It was intentional, though.

00:18:44:19 - 00:19:10:11 Seth No, it no, absolutely was intentional. one of the most honestly, most profound experiences of my life. Yes. You know, right. So I just I just put that in, in, on my side of the argument here. Counsel. Yeah. Counsel that, that I feel pretty compassionate toward toward parenthood and fathers and mothers and more integration. And yet I'm like, you kidding me?

00:19:10:11 - 00:19:14:23 Seth You getting paid 12 weeks or three, you know, or six months or a year?

00:19:15:00 - 00:19:16:01 Stephanie Yeah. So I told you.

00:19:16:01 - 00:19:18:02 Seth How can that be effective for a business?

00:19:18:02 - 00:19:19:03 Stephanie It was like, what?

00:19:19:05 - 00:19:39:21 Darleene Well, you know, the good thing is it we we've evolved so, so fathers are just as important as mothers. And that that's time that you do do not get back. So can you imagine how good an employee would feel if their organization gave them that time, that they know that they can't get back to bond with that new baby, and to help out the mom as well?

00:19:39:21 - 00:20:00:15 Darleene Let's not forget. So and another thing I think that happened as a result of the pandemic was when Mom and dad were all at home with the kids. And like you said, historically, moms have been the caretakers. Well, what happens when you have the mom and dad? We have the caretakers. We can't send the little ones to school because school is closed.

00:20:00:15 - 00:20:25:10 Darleene So we have to figure out a way to balance the family and manage things. So I think that that was a positive thing that happened in terms of the workforce being more sensitive to family needs, not just fathers, but mothers, just the family as a whole. And also it helped with remote policies because we realized that in some of our roles, we don't have to be physically in an office.

00:20:25:12 - 00:20:51:22 Darleene And again, again, it just helps to support that family unit, which makes the worker more inclined to stay with a company who has a culture of being supportive. So again, everybody benefits. You don't have a lot of the expenses associated with people leaving or with people just not being engaged at work and people confidently being able to say, I work for a good company or this is a good policy.

00:20:51:22 - 00:20:57:03 Darleene My company, it's company culture. How many times did people leave because of toxic work environments?

00:20:57:05 - 00:20:58:05 Stephanie Yes.

00:20:58:06 - 00:21:02:19 Darleene So I think that's part of what has evolved.

00:21:02:21 - 00:21:05:04 Stephanie That's I think that's pretty much what I said, wasn't it?

00:21:05:06 - 00:21:05:19 Seth It it.

00:21:05:19 - 00:21:17:02 Stephanie Is. I mean, if you think about when a woman gives birth and then all of a sudden a couple days later, the husband leaves and she's just left there, especially if she has more than one child to. It's like.

00:21:17:08 - 00:21:20:03 Seth A complication, even minor complications.

00:21:20:06 - 00:21:41:20 Stephanie That's true. Right? I mean, it takes the body a while to heal from this. Absolutely huge. You could even say traumatic in some ways to the body. It's traumatic. Not necessarily. It experiences, but to be able to have that support and to heal through that physically and even emotionally, you know, can be so huge for the woman.

00:21:41:20 - 00:21:44:14 Stephanie And, you know, like you said, each individual in that family.

00:21:44:16 - 00:21:59:06 Seth Well, as you said, the and this really rings true. I mean, this this hits me in my core. Think about those, you know, those parents, you know, I'm a father, CSA mother, I mean, your mother. How many kids do you guys have again? Do you have three?

00:21:59:09 - 00:22:00:06 Darleene Three?

00:22:00:08 - 00:22:16:16 Seth Yes. I think it's like I would never I would never not want to have had the experience I did, you know, and and we did. We chose to do a home birth, you know, but to, to hold, to have that experience, whatever that experience is for you whether you're home, you know, I mean, you know, everybody's and have the home birth.

00:22:16:16 - 00:22:33:03 Seth Yeah. But we would love to know what do you all think? Right. When you're listening to this. Tell us. Shoot us an email. What do you think about home birth and what do you think about paid, paid, paternity leave? But yeah, that has made me whole.

00:22:33:05 - 00:22:33:13 Darleene Yes.

00:22:33:19 - 00:22:53:07 Seth More whole than I could have had in, you know, I had to get it through that experience. So I think this is how we compare it to holistic approach to health. Listen, it might not make sense. We talk to people all the time. And I know that you do because we've had these conversations about cost of care, right?

00:22:53:07 - 00:23:12:06 Seth I mean, whether you're talking about, a procedure, right? I mean, we're, you know, we're seeing physicians and medical professionals and mental health professionals yet, for various, you know, issues, right? And stuff that we're trying to and, like professional, professional help costs it.

00:23:12:08 - 00:23:13:10 Darleene Absolutely.

00:23:13:12 - 00:23:37:13 Seth It costs. So what if we were able to invest on the front end, right. What if what if long term value to the company was having a more holistic work environment, you know, maternity leave, paternity leave. And although it might not make sense in the beginning like that, that's just seems like a big line item in red, right?

00:23:37:13 - 00:24:01:20 Seth Negative profitability. Right? Same as well. Wait a second. I'm going to spend you know, I'm going to spend $200 a month on a, on on a new health protocol, right. A new product line that, you know, that that's it's an expense. But whoa, whoa whoa whoa. What if it's actually just an investment that comes with a return, right?

00:24:01:21 - 00:24:03:07 Seth It's a whole new way of thinking.

00:24:03:09 - 00:24:06:04 Darleene Absolutely, absolutely.

00:24:06:06 - 00:24:32:06 Seth Well, let's let's move on. thank you. That. That's awesome conversation. Usually on this show, you know, we talk about mind, body and money, but we don't get to all three of those. Yeah. typically because, you know, our our incredible guests choose to focus in on one of those. And one of the interesting things in as we've had dialog back and forth, you didn't you didn't choose to do that, and you just said, no way.

00:24:32:06 - 00:24:56:17 Seth Like, like I'm going to take the whole thing. Let's just take the whole thing. So, we, we're we're going to let's, let's run, kind of through the whole mind body. thing and get your perspective again, just because you come with a unique background professionally representing, yes. African American women as well. You're you have an earning capacity that is exemplary.

00:24:56:17 - 00:25:13:15 Seth Will say, right, I'm breaking the average. But you've also got this holistic approach. So let's jump into some questions. and we'll start with mind. And then we just like to pick your brain for a few minutes. And we know that that's usually, you know, one thing we're fortunate is this is not billable. This is not a billable hours, is it.

00:25:13:15 - 00:25:19:22 Seth What do you call it in the provides this pro bono business? yeah.

00:25:20:00 - 00:25:20:22 Darleene Correct.

00:25:21:00 - 00:25:23:07 Stephanie Hopefully it's it's an investment, though.

00:25:23:09 - 00:25:23:21 Seth Yes.

00:25:23:23 - 00:25:42:21 Darleene You never know. You never know. And before we get into that. So one of the other things, conversation trailed off when I started talking about what I was passionate about. So, yes, only health and wellness. But in terms of I'm very passionate about equity inequality. So to tie back into the professional part, which does lead into the money discussion.

00:25:42:23 - 00:26:16:22 Darleene So women we historically underpaid, not only were we underrepresented marginalized, we are underpaid. And in the even in the legal profession. So again, I'm just committed to figure out what can we do to stop this. Things that have to change. We have to have some dialogs. We have to do a lot of self-reflection. So part of what I do, tying into the health and wellness with the mind and body, is to lead to the financial wellness, because if we feel more confident about ourselves physically, mentally and physically, I don't mean just the appearance, I mean physically as in, I can handle this.

00:26:16:22 - 00:26:39:23 Darleene I'm strong. I'm healthy because of I know when I'm not healthy, it affects my mind. So we take take it from that perspective. It empowers you because you feel more confident about everything, your decision making. And guess what? You feel competent even when you don't know the answers. Because confidence is not knowing everything, but it's being able to figure out how to find out the answer.

00:26:39:23 - 00:26:50:19 Darleene So how resourceful are you? Ties into your wellness, which can lead to the financial wellness piece. So that's that's Darlene's theory of how it all ties in interrelated.

00:26:50:21 - 00:27:08:17 Seth I think the numbers, in fact, I was I was doing some research on this for, a writing project or something. as we communicate, since we work with women all around the world on, frankly, all three of those. Right. But a lot of women, I mean, we've been all around the world working with women, to help them increase their finances.

00:27:08:17 - 00:27:29:22 Seth Right. Increased skill set start businesses. We're big believers that you got to be the seat. You might choose to work for somebody else as well. And that's great. but in the end, you're really the CEO. You're the CEO in your life, and, and starting a business and making it profitable is one of the most important things that you could do, even if you started as a little side business.

00:27:29:22 - 00:27:41:04 Seth Everything should start small, right? Yeah. You can think big, but act small and I. Because you got to make it profitable. Smart. on the small and first and statistically.

00:27:41:06 - 00:28:04:07 Darleene this is not another encouraging piece of news, but women outlive the men in their lives. So we have to be able to function and be resourceful in case in particularly in a marital situation, what if your significant other is no longer here? You know, it's we all it's going to happen all you know we just don't know whit.

00:28:04:09 - 00:28:27:05 Darleene So it is important for husbands and wives and, you know, spouses. And I'm not seeing other relationships with particularly the marital relationship that should have to be on one accord. You have to work on things together as a team. Otherwise you will find yourself, let's say you unexpectedly lose a spouse. You will find yourself not only having to grieve, but to figure out how to pick up the pieces because you didn't come together.

00:28:27:05 - 00:28:32:08 Darleene So, and I'm not saying I have it all figured out in all perfect, but, we're still working on it. You know I.

00:28:32:10 - 00:28:42:21 Seth Will. Yeah, that is not why we invited you on the show. Because we expected a certain level of of.

00:28:42:23 - 00:28:56:03 Darleene And but it is important that people know this as well. Because as educated as I am and and the professional, I don't have everything in order that I should have. So it's I'm still a work in progress. So just letting people know that.

00:28:56:03 - 00:29:25:05 Seth We're all works in progress. I think the number that I read is either 63 or 68%. I think this is the income disparity. Yes. Similar jobs, similar responsibilities. Yes. But but men versus women or the men and women equality equanimity side is women are earning in the 60s. Let's just take an average there 65% of what, an equally qualified man would be earning in the same position.

00:29:25:07 - 00:29:29:17 Seth Yes. Are you experiencing that pretty significantly in the law profession?

00:29:29:18 - 00:29:50:02 Darleene It's so we know that because of the numbers, the reports tell us that very same thing, that there's still a lot of pay equity issues out there. And while I don't know what it is for my firm, it could that could very well be the case. But the reports that Brett said that there's still a big party issue.

00:29:50:04 - 00:30:16:19 Darleene And the way I think that it continues and not just in the legal profession, is, again, typically a lot of times the males are the top leaders. So it the males are the ones who are making the decisions, setting the scales. Then sometimes it's hard for women to rock that boat. and then sometimes women. It's just hard for us to write that book because sometimes we typically just accept and not negotiate or figure.

00:30:16:19 - 00:30:37:14 Darleene This is what the pay is. This is what I earn. And we are very hesitant sometimes to disrupt that. So I'm not blaming it all on the men, but I do. But then again, that's about equipping women to be more confident, to be resourceful. So okay, I'm confident because I know my worth. I know my value. You can't pay me what I'm worth because I'm worth so much more.

00:30:37:14 - 00:30:38:13 Darleene But this is what you.

00:30:38:18 - 00:30:39:11 Stephanie Men.

00:30:39:13 - 00:30:57:23 Darleene Shouldn't be able to pay me. And how do you do that? You do your research and you figure out industry trends in pay scales. You tie that back into your accomplishments at work, and then that's how you promote yourself to say, hey, this is what I should be pay. If you're if you feel like you're being undercut, eat it again.

00:30:57:23 - 00:31:01:13 Darleene That's how I tie all of that together.

00:31:01:15 - 00:31:22:23 Seth I was having a conversation with, with one of our daughters. We have four daughters, six boys and we have a 19 year old daughter. And, you know, she's just, you know, she's out of out of that, the high school education secondary and looking for that next thing in her life. Right. Thinking about, the ministry, which is awesome.

00:31:23:01 - 00:31:42:11 Seth you know, looking at, you know, kind of a trade in the photography industry or whatever. And, and, you know, pushing forward to be independent, right? Self-sufficient, independent. And so we've had a lot of counsel with her. And one of the things I want to say, I'm proud about this, because I'm still learning as a dad.

00:31:42:12 - 00:32:07:01 Seth But I felt really strong when I, when, when we had this conversation and I said, hey, girl. Right. We are raising you so that you can be completely independent if you so choose and or you don't. You need to be because you didn't, you know, because of somebody else's choices, right? And that, you know, you get married. Awesome.

00:32:07:01 - 00:32:25:10 Seth You know, traditionally in the husband goes and makes a living if that's what you want to do and be be able to stay home because so many women, oh my goodness, are not able to if that's what they so, you know, chose or desired to do. But you you need to make sure that you equip yourself. So let's create a plan.

00:32:25:10 - 00:32:31:14 Seth Yes. Right. And execute on this plan while you're young and you're unattached.

00:32:31:14 - 00:32:32:14 Stephanie Yeah.

00:32:32:16 - 00:32:54:15 Seth To a significant other. Right. Or to children. Right. And you're with or or to some other, you know, debt or whatever so that you can be in a you need to be independent. I mean, that is one of the messages we feel so strongly about. Yes. Women, you are the CEO of your finances, right? Not leaving it to chance, right.

00:32:54:19 - 00:33:12:06 Seth And having a way to be, you know, to to to make what you're worth. You know, to have your voice, to have the skill and then to have the voice and then to have with this lady has, you know, communicated to me because I know when the lion comes out or the lioness.

00:33:12:07 - 00:33:14:16 Speaker 4 Right.

00:33:14:18 - 00:33:18:08 Seth I tell you, a man will listen like. Yeah, like I listen when I hear that.

00:33:18:13 - 00:33:19:18 Darleene Very good.

00:33:19:19 - 00:33:25:14 Stephanie All right. So when it comes to self-care for the mind, what's your biggest strength?

00:33:25:16 - 00:33:51:03 Darleene So for me, I recognize when I have not been taking care of my mind because, again, that it results in bad decisions, fatigue for me. So I self-care is one of my calendar. I plan out what am I going to do for self-care this week? This date, and again, the good thing about self-care is you get to define your self-care so whatever works for you.

00:33:51:05 - 00:34:18:08 Darleene And for B, it's often some type of physical activity. Walking, I find, is just a huge stressor. It always gets the creative ideas flowing. I think walking is so underrated because it's manageable. You can walk, take long walks, you could take short walks. Any type of walking that you do is beneficial to your mind, body and soul. So for me, self-care has to be what am I, what am I doing?

00:34:18:08 - 00:34:37:02 Darleene What am I not doing? And yet, self-care for me is often getting sufficient sleep because I know that in order for me to function again, you know that the profession that I'm in requires my mind to be sharp. Well, I can't do. I'm in law school anymore, so I can't knock it off a few hours of sleep. I can't go to bed at two and wake up at six thinking that I'm going to have a great day.

00:34:37:06 - 00:35:01:19 Darleene So it's really about protecting what makes me feel good and what makes me feel like I'm able to function. That could also mean making sure I have proper nutrients and vitamins and diet, and I don't. Again, I don't always get it right, but for the most part, I like to think of it as what is going to make me feel that runner's high and I'm just going to continue to keep doing it.

00:35:01:19 - 00:35:27:20 Darleene So I'm a huge creature of habit. I have the same exercise schedule. I have the same sleep schedule. The morning routine is really what helps set me for my day. So my first hour of the day is dedicated to me. It's when the house is quiet. It's when I can read or journal or meditate without being interrupted. Some days I exercise and again I just feel like my body, my mind and my body actually miss it when I fall off of my routine.

00:35:27:23 - 00:35:44:17 Darleene So it's got to be on the calendar. You know, I know a lot of times talk about your your heart or your your treasure is where your money, your all right. I forget how the verse goes. I'm sorry, but I really feel like your calendar is the key to your well-being. It really.

00:35:44:17 - 00:36:08:13 Seth Is calendar. Like, I, we we talk about this. In fact, we just had a we just had, Steph, just ordered a big old calendar for the office here in the studio, like one of these massive calendars. just because. Yeah, if you don't schedule it like, if you want something in life, we will tell you we can predict if you will get that.

00:36:08:18 - 00:36:11:03 Seth Yes, by one thing. Show me your calendar.

00:36:11:04 - 00:36:12:08 Darleene Yes.

00:36:12:10 - 00:36:19:10 Seth Show me your calendar. Yeah. That's a tough thing for moms, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.

00:36:19:12 - 00:36:20:14 Stephanie Yeah.

00:36:20:16 - 00:36:42:06 Darleene It's tough hearing for so many others. I know it's. Yeah. And that's why I try to particularly women and particularly moms when we try to talk. You know I'm not on that that bandwagon up. Everybody gets 24 hours in a day. My 24 hours is not the same as a mother of three school age kids. Let's be real.

00:36:42:08 - 00:37:03:01 Darleene so I just again, just try to emphasize to people, just look at your calendar, maybe there's some chunks, maybe there's something you can do here and there. Maybe you can't devote the hour in the morning because your hours in the morning or everybody's on fast forward. But what can you do during the day to help reset? Can you meditate for 2 to 5 minutes?

00:37:03:03 - 00:37:14:16 Darleene Can you get up and stretch every hour? can you just meal plan? Sometimes something simple is, is planning meals can be a huge time saver and money saver.

00:37:14:18 - 00:37:37:07 Stephanie Yeah, I find that. I will try and, you know, schedule out my day and I'm like, okay, I'm going to get all this done. And then one little thing happens with the kids and it's like, okay, well, how am I going to get back on track and how am I going to have self-compassion? And no, you know, which ones are more, oh my goodness, I can't think of the.

00:37:37:07 - 00:37:38:08 Seth Word higher priority.

00:37:38:08 - 00:37:41:05 Stephanie Yeah. Higher priority. That that's a great way to put it. Yes.

00:37:41:07 - 00:37:42:06 Seth non-negotiable.

00:37:42:06 - 00:37:50:03 Stephanie Yeah. And, you know, looking at it to see which ones can I let go for right now or for today, even, to still.

00:37:50:03 - 00:37:50:18 Darleene Absolutely.

00:37:50:18 - 00:37:59:07 Stephanie Feel really good about myself and to to move forward and make my day productive. Yes. It's it's tough with little ones and productivity.

00:37:59:07 - 00:38:17:10 Darleene And, you know, my rule of thumb is I'm not going anywhere. There are five things on my to do list because I can easily. It's such a sense of accomplishment when you can say, okay, I get these three things done, two more to go, it helps. And then you have the inevitable emergency or somebody else's issue that pops up.

00:38:17:10 - 00:38:36:00 Darleene Then you don't feel so out of balance because you can have these five things on your lists do, and then something can happen in your day can be totally unpredictable and you just feel so self defeated. But like you said, self-compassion is key. Give yourself some grace and say, okay, well that was the priority that I needed to take care of and I took care of it.

00:38:36:00 - 00:38:41:23 Darleene Now let me move on to the next thing. What if you have a list of 10 to 12? I mean, that's talking about a recipe for disaster.

00:38:42:01 - 00:38:43:19 Seth A recipe for disappointment, right?

00:38:43:22 - 00:38:44:22 Darleene Yes.

00:38:45:00 - 00:39:02:10 Stephanie One. One thing that I try to remind myself also as I go through these, you know, when I have those types of days which are frequent with little ones is just that this is my season. You know, this is my season for more of those to happen. And as they get older, you know, they tend to happen less and less.

00:39:02:10 - 00:39:06:19 Stephanie So just reminding myself that it's not a forever sentence. All right.

00:39:06:21 - 00:39:21:12 Darleene Definitely. I can totally relate because I don't know if you remember early on, I said probably in my 40s, I think probably right when I hit 40 was when I was able to become more consistent in discipline as it relates to my health, particularly with exercising. But that's because my kids were young. I started having kids, I think at 29.

00:39:21:12 - 00:39:41:22 Darleene So, you know, those early years, it's a juggle, especially if you have more than one. So that's why it took a minute for me to be able to develop a routine. But it also helped. You know, I also realize it helped that I had the social support. So my mom, my husband, when they saw I was more committed, were able to kind of step in and help out.

00:39:41:22 - 00:39:48:15 Darleene Which is why, again, I said that social support is so key and so critical to your success.

00:39:48:19 - 00:39:52:16 Stephanie Absolutely. I feel like you've got this big old grin on your face.

00:39:52:16 - 00:39:55:23 Seth But I'm looking at you. I was feeling great about this. This is amazing.

00:39:56:01 - 00:40:22:12 Stephanie I just turned 40 this last August and I'm like, oh, I feel that. I mean, our youngest is still six, but at the same time, I don't know if Seth has his parents. We built an apartment in our basement for them, and I feel so wonderful from them. And also my husband, you know, encouraging me, hey, you know, go do this or, you know, tonight I'm going to breathwork in a sound bath class with a couple friends and wonderful.

00:40:22:12 - 00:40:34:09 Stephanie You know, it's I definitely feel like I'm more committed. I'm being more intentional. I do have that support where I can do a lot more than, you know, even just a year ago, you know, before they moved in.

00:40:34:09 - 00:40:37:15 Darleene Wonderful. Glad to hear it.

00:40:37:17 - 00:41:05:01 Seth One thing that you said just just was like sound bite. And that was when when they saw that I was committed, then alignment came, then support came. Right. And so for everybody who's listening and thinking, I need to get out, I need to get a hold on this. Yeah. We get I mean, you can't get a hold on everything, so don't even worry about getting on a hold over the.

00:41:05:05 - 00:41:26:07 Seth Okay. Five things on your list. Great. If that's a get one thing done. But if you could start with just making one commitment to your self-care routine mind, body or money like pick one, don't try. Okay, I'm going to pick three in every area, right? Yeah. Not happening. But you pick one and you commit to that one. Yeah.

00:41:26:08 - 00:41:52:19 Seth By putting it on the calendar. Right. And yes, when something happens as stuff happens, yeah. You might have to shift. You might have to be flexible. Invariably you're a woman. You're going to have to be flexible. Right. But make sure that you get that one done. And when you commit to that, as you know the quote, to quote a book out on the market, Tiny habits.

00:41:52:21 - 00:42:17:14 Seth Yeah. Right. Then then it can it can start to come together. I wanted to ask, can you run us just quickly. And you've been so I think, great bias in, in reminding us that. Listen, I'm not you, right? You're all going to have a different schedule. So just because, you know, this is my profession or this this is my background, this is my training or or this is my schedule.

00:42:17:16 - 00:42:36:15 Seth You know, you don't have to copy my schedule, right? But you got to find yours in you. You talked about scheduling and and again, that's come through. Put it on the calendar. Run this through. You know what these, these, kind of priorities that you've set. You said I go to bed at the same time, you know, I try to I have this routine.

00:42:36:15 - 00:42:40:07 Seth Can you run this? Just give us that in short.

00:42:40:09 - 00:43:02:11 Darleene Sure, sure. So on Tuesday and Thursday mornings, I am working out at the gym with a trainer. Part of that is to help hold me accountable, because chances are I would not be going to the gym at 5 a.m. to work out on my own, so I put controls in place to help me stay committed. And also that again helps me because I don't want to go to the gym and work out improperly and injure myself.

00:43:02:16 - 00:43:22:09 Darleene So I've been doing that routine, which helps me for years. On Saturdays or Sunday mornings, I'm typically walking and I try to get in at least a one hour walk. Sometimes I can do it both day. Sometimes it's one day. but again, that's my way to connect with nature because again, I'm in the gym on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

00:43:22:09 - 00:43:41:18 Darleene I'm in the office during the week. I often don't get outside enough, but nature is another great health tool. It's another great stress reliever. So that's part of my routine. And then also there is, a free app that I use that has all kinds of exercise routines. I don't know if you comfortable with me saying, oh, go.

00:43:41:18 - 00:43:42:20 Seth For it, go for it.

00:43:42:20 - 00:44:13:20 Darleene Promote your it's called fit on a fit. Oh man. Okay, okay. Fit on has everything from yoga to Pilates to, workouts. With dumbbells to app, you can target certain areas. You can invite your friends, you can do challenges. and then that way, if I can't do something, if the weather's man, I can't walk. I can pick out an exercise routine in a shorter span or as long span as I like, but whatever problem area I'm working on and, pat my midsection right now and it's it's just a great tool.

00:44:13:20 - 00:44:36:06 Darleene So you have to find what works, because there's so many tools out there that we just often don't take advantage of, that, you know, find a space in your home where you're comfortable working out or even just comfortable meditating. I don't want to limit it to working out. develop something easy. If you're new to exercise, don't don't sign up for something like CrossFit or something that's just overly ambitious.

00:44:36:06 - 00:44:55:20 Darleene You start small and maybe just start with some small exercises at home or a class with a friend. And again, enlisting friend support can make it so much more enjoyable. So maybe you can do an exercise class. So typically I'm working anywhere working out anywhere from 3 to 4 days a week. and again, sometimes just in, in all the weather.

00:44:56:02 - 00:45:16:10 Darleene But I also try to tell people I emphasize movement. So what can I do to just move my body today, whether that's just taking a couple of walks around the block or stretching walking. Sometimes I walk some of my errands, so if I have to go to the grocery store and I know I don't need to get too many things, I may walk instead of driving.

00:45:16:12 - 00:45:35:03 Darleene sometimes walk to and from work. So again, it's just figuring out small things you can do that will lead to those great gains, because it may be easy to get in 30 minutes. But if I tell you, you go workout for an hour, you know, it's just we sometimes you try to do too much too soon. And so get figure out where you can fit it in your schedule and just do it.

00:45:35:03 - 00:45:54:21 Darleene And again, don't forget about just quality mealtime when you're resting. Resting is a huge tool that we often dismiss or underrate. So some days are typically my rest days. It's usually church and maybe a walk. And then I'm just trying to connect with family. You know, I may do some light housework, but for the most part, Sunday is my day of rest.

00:45:54:23 - 00:46:20:21 Seth We were at, we were invited to a Jewish Shabbat service where we have Sabbath service this just this past weekend and, and talked about about the Sabbath, the Jewish Sabbath, right from Friday evening, Saturday evening. And it was truly, just remarkably insightful because, hey, hey, we're in a Christian nation here. There is, you know, there's a lot, a lot of people who observe a Sabbath right?

00:46:20:23 - 00:46:51:04 Seth Yeah. from a spiritual standpoint. And that's huge. But there's also a physical, and a mental and emotional kind of a holistic benefit to a Sabbath. Right? A yeah, a day of rest, as the rabbi put it, one of the meanings is stop, stop, stop. And what? Right. Well, stop what you were doing because we need to renew.

00:46:51:05 - 00:46:54:03 Seth We need to restore. Right. So.

00:46:54:05 - 00:47:11:06 Stephanie Well, I think it's a big thing culturally nowadays. Like, how many things can I get done or how much can I fit in in one day? And if I'm resting and I'm lazy or, you know, just not being productive and there's so much value at going slow or being still.

00:47:11:06 - 00:47:12:00 Darleene Absolutely.

00:47:12:00 - 00:47:32:03 Stephanie And going inward, and also to a higher power that really connects you to yourself and lets you discover maybe things that you know, you could change and do better or I don't know, there's just so much benefit to it there. As you said, it's very undervalued for sure.

00:47:32:06 - 00:47:53:08 Darleene Absolutely not my huge podcast, man. So I love to listen to my podcast when I'm walking or when I'm just resting. I do not support multitasking because we just it's just something that we cannot do. We we think we can do it. That's the my thing is people think, oh, I can, but effectively you cannot. You cannot have a conversation with Seth and texting someone at the same time.

00:47:53:08 - 00:47:55:19 Darleene Somebody is going to not have your full attention.

00:47:55:19 - 00:48:14:12 Stephanie Or both of them. Very true. You know, a lot of times, with my children or even with Seth, you know, if they try to have a conversation with me and I'm in the middle of texting, I'm. I mean, I don't always remember to say it this way, but yes, I would say, you know, I would love to give you 100% of my attention.

00:48:14:13 - 00:48:25:13 Stephanie But when I'm in the middle of doing this, I can't do that. So can you give me, yes. You know, five minutes or whatever it's going to take and then I can devote that, you know, my full attention to you instead of part of you and part of what I'm doing.

00:48:25:15 - 00:48:29:12 Darleene Absolutely love it. Love it, and it teaches them so much.

00:48:29:13 - 00:48:30:15 Seth Amen.

00:48:30:17 - 00:48:32:02 Darleene Definitely teaches them a lot.

00:48:32:03 - 00:48:55:10 Seth Well, they're about 100 other things we wanted to ask you today, but I, I think I think, practically speaking, because we know that you have a big week, and, and, and, you know, it's not often that we can get on your schedule without being a billable hour. so we're grateful for that. but but I also think that that this is, this is metaphorical in that when we talk about rest.

00:48:55:12 - 00:49:28:04 Seth Underrated. One of the most underrated self-care practices is as the Jew as as the Jewish rabbi said, Shabbat actually isn't just that the root word isn't a noun. The Sabbath, it was a verb. So wow. Shabbat like do Shabbat, do that Sabbath, do the thing of resting and resonating and renewing. And so, this has been such an it's just incredible conversation.

00:49:28:04 - 00:50:06:07 Seth We appreciate they appreciate you so much. And we're going to leave almost. I do have one other question, but with this concept of of allowing peace and rest as a form of, of of self-care. But Steph mentioned, well, you mentioned podcasting. You are hosting, a podcast. You're you're producing a show. Can you just give us as we kind of like, fade the outro music here as we go out, where can people well, tell us about the show, who's your target and how can they follow it?

00:50:06:12 - 00:50:31:10 Darleene Sure, sure. So it's a show that I co-host with a friend of mine. it's done on the first Saturday of every month at 11 a.m. central, and it's called Melanated matters. And she and I, interestingly, she is also a fellow health coach who I befriended through the group where we received certification. And she and I just developed this virtual friendship because she's a one state and I'm in the other, and we just started coming together.

00:50:31:10 - 00:50:58:01 Darleene This podcast is a video podcast, so I guess it's technically a podcast was her idea because as again, trying to elevate women and particularly the women of color, she wanted to she was on a mission to say, look, there's just so much inequities that we face. How about we create this platform where we talk about everything from relationships to physical health, mental health, spirituality, careers, and it's geared towards African-American women.

00:50:58:01 - 00:51:18:23 Darleene I'll be honest. because I think you can certainly not deny some of the reports that the experiences of African-American women differs. And again, it differs for each year, class of women. But we felt like there wasn't something out there specifically addressing all of those needs for women. And that's what we do. We have a live conversation.

00:51:18:23 - 00:51:42:03 Darleene We often have guests who come on, we've had medical doctors who talked about women's health issues. We've had, people who are women who've talked about. And it's another thing, the guests have all been women. So we've had women who come in and talk about career advice, women to talk about finances. I have even appeared as a lawyer talking about the importance of estate planning and important tools we need to have in place.

00:51:42:08 - 00:52:12:03 Darleene So again, it's just a safe space for people to be able to listen in. We often try to promote the businesses of the guests, who appear just as a form of support and resources for women. So I get it's called Melanated matters. We are on, LinkedIn. Melanated matters on Instagram. It's our Melanated matter show. And then we also have a texting service where you can subscribe to our text, and we'll send you show reminders in the links where they show up.

00:52:12:03 - 00:52:33:00 Darleene And you can text the word melanated to eight by 56881598. And from there you'll get again. We don't bombard you with texts, we don't run specials. It's a reminder for the show link in the zoom link to join. So we it's always an incredible conversation and we all learn so much from each other and support each other in so many different ways.

00:52:33:02 - 00:53:03:05 Stephanie That's wonderful. I, I follow a woman who is in, interracial. She's an into, oh my goodness. And an interracial couple. And you know, she lately she's talked a lot about, how even her kids are up against, you know, all of these other children that are saying, you know, really racist things or really horrible things, and it just really has broken my heart to see all that they go through, even even her.

00:53:03:05 - 00:53:16:19 Stephanie I mean, one comment was was crazy. I won't even say it was crazy. Yeah. so I love, you know, that you guys are providing this community and the support, these women in these families. I'm excited to listen to you.

00:53:16:21 - 00:53:46:22 Seth Absolutely. Thank you. I somehow have a feeling that I'm never going to be asked to be a guest speaker on, like, I kind of feel like, just like, right from the get go, like, right from the get go out of the womb, like I didn't qualify. But that doesn't stop me from listening in. And we are going to make sure that, we will put in the show notes, and, on, on this episode, all of the socials here, how they can, how they can get Ahold and follow the show.

00:53:47:02 - 00:54:01:18 Seth We'll put the we'll get the number. but we want to thank you. The Darlene Peters, Darlene d Peters, deep wellness. Nola, which she's from New Orleans. Thank you'd. We love you. Just so appreciate, the conversation.

00:54:01:20 - 00:54:05:14 Darleene You. That's a great, great conversation. Thank you for doing this.

00:54:05:14 - 00:54:07:05 Stephanie Thank you.

00:54:07:07 - 00:54:11:04 Seth And cut. It's a wrap.

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