00;00;05;10 - 00;00;06;23 Stephanie Hi, I'm Stephanie.

00;00;06;26 - 00;00;17;16 Seth I'm Seth, and this is the Forever Young show. The most powerful force in this world is a woman who knows who she is, why? She is here, and what she wants to accomplish.

00;00;17;16 - 00;00;24;03 Stephanie And that's where self-care comes in. As a woman, it is my opportunity and my responsibility to take care of me.

00;00;24;10 - 00;00;25;29 Seth Self-care for your mind.

00;00;26;04 - 00;00;27;20 Stephanie Self-care for your body.

00;00;27;22 - 00;00;29;02 Seth Self-care for your money.

00;00;29;08 - 00;00;37;19 Stephanie Our mission is to serve women as they fulfill their irreplaceable roles and families. Society. Business. The fabric of humanity.

00;00;37;21 - 00;00;42;20 Seth So let's get this show on the road. Well, thank you for being here.

00;00;42;21 - 00;00;43;17 Michelle Thank you.

00;00;43;18 - 00;00;46;25 Seth One very busy woman.

00;00;46;27 - 00;00;47;15 Michelle Well.

00;00;47;17 - 00;00;49;06 Michelle I always make time for my favorite things.

00;00;49;13 - 00;00;50;24 Michelle So thank you for having me.

00;00;50;29 - 00;01;00;19 Seth Well that's great. It only took us two years to get on that. We had to work up to the Juleanna. My favorite things. So I'm excited. Finally!

00;01;00;23 - 00;01;02;24 Michelle You made it. We finally.

00;01;02;26 - 00;01;07;09 Seth We. We crossed it. And I think it's actually because we put our sixth patient into your practice.

00;01;07;15 - 00;01;09;05 Michelle I think maybe.

00;01;09;08 - 00;01;33;11 Seth Ruth. Ruth had her first pediatric pediatric appointment in the office, but no, we super appreciate it. I know we've actually been working together trying to put this together for months. And you, you boy, I don't remember when this was, but I don't even know if it was this year. I might I think it might have been even well, had been this year because we launched the podcast this year.

00;01;33;13 - 00;01;46;26 Seth But you said, give me until after May because I'm working on a project. I'm not going to give a spoiler yet because I think Steph's going to jump into that. But but thank you for making time. I mean, how many businesses do you run?

00;01;46;29 - 00;01;47;20 Michelle Three right.

00;01;47;20 - 00;01;54;04 Michelle Now. Yeah. You kind of have that right now. Right now.

00;01;54;05 - 00;01;56;25 Michelle You know sometimes I get bored.

00;01;56;27 - 00;02;02;16 Michelle So there might be more. It's just the way it goes.

00;02;02;18 - 00;02;04;09 Seth What is? Remind me your husband's name.

00;02;04;14 - 00;02;04;29 Michelle Steve.

00;02;05;00 - 00;02;19;05 Seth Okay. Yes, Steve. I saw him, actually in the office the other day. Yeah. I wish I had a, like, a little Nerf ball. I was going to throw a little nerf to. But what does he say when you say. Steve, I have an idea.

00;02;19;06 - 00;02;25;11 Michelle Oh, that's the idea. Word is actually a swear word in our house. All my kids roll their eyes.

00;02;25;11 - 00;02;26;17 Michelle They groan like.

00;02;26;17 - 00;02;43;17 Michelle Mom. So I just quit saying ideas. I said, I have I now have a whole slew of other people that I talk to frequently, and I tell them my ideas because they don't groan. They don't have to personally endure what it means. So they're totally fine with listening to my ideas. So I just tell them now.

00;02;43;20 - 00;02;46;18 Michelle Oh, I love her. Yeah. Let's get.

00;02;46;21 - 00;03;05;12 Seth Oh my goodness, oh my goodness. Well, you were a woman of many talents. I remember when I had my first appointment, and that really stems from staff. And she's going to kind of get in to how this whole thing started. You know, apparently you are creating business partnerships and podcast interviews all from just getting patients. Yeah, right.

00;03;05;15 - 00;03;16;10 Seth In your practice. But I remember when I went into into Total Dental Care here in American Fork, Utah, for the first time at Stephanie's request.

00;03;16;10 - 00;03;17;18 Michelle It never happens.

00;03;17;18 - 00;03;18;13 Seth Never.

00;03;18;16 - 00;03;19;09 Stephanie Happen, because I.

00;03;19;09 - 00;03;20;01 Michelle Never have.

00;03;20;01 - 00;03;22;09 Michelle Husbands come because their wife as well.

00;03;22;14 - 00;03;23;08 Michelle It's never happened.

00;03;23;09 - 00;03;25;20 Seth And this podcast is for women, right?

00;03;25;21 - 00;03;28;04 Stephanie And I will say I did not force him. Very good.

00;03;28;05 - 00;03;29;18 Michelle But yeah.

00;03;29;20 - 00;03;32;05 Seth But I was there because of you. And it had.

00;03;32;05 - 00;03;34;13 Michelle Been true for.

00;03;34;15 - 00;03;56;05 Seth Ten plus years since I had been at the dentist. And actually I just had this flashback. I was not going to share this, but I remember you were doing our intake, and you're like, yeah, looking at your teeth, you're a grinder. And I felt I felt like, you know, I just felt so exposed. I didn't want to start.

00;03;56;05 - 00;04;22;12 Seth I didn't wanna expose my teeth, but, you know, anyway, I remember saying, Michelle, you you're not simply and solely a dentist. You're a businesswoman like you. You are approaching this from a completely different, standpoint. So, for those women out there who are entrepreneurs, we'll talk hopefully we'll get into leadership and building systems.

00;04;22;12 - 00;04;23;11 Michelle But,

00;04;23;13 - 00;04;32;03 Seth Let's start let's let's start with, the OG woman here on the, on the forever. She would. So I called you the OG, but.

00;04;32;10 - 00;04;33;07 Stephanie I don't think you I.

00;04;33;07 - 00;04;34;20 Seth Like it. I think it fits.

00;04;34;22 - 00;04;36;26 Michelle Okay.

00;04;36;28 - 00;04;56;09 Stephanie So I had not been to the dentist. I think right before we got married was the first time. So I'd been just over seven years. And the reason I went, I was kind of forced because one of my teeth had broke and I cried, not because my tooth broke, but because I had to go see a dentist.

00;04;56;12 - 00;05;01;05 Stephanie Because I had horrible experiences my whole life. So many times. And so.

00;05;01;07 - 00;05;01;10 Michelle I.

00;05;01;10 - 00;05;02;22 Seth Think you had anxiety.

00;05;02;24 - 00;05;06;23 Stephanie Oh for sure. Yeah. High. It was full fledged high anxiety.

00;05;06;26 - 00;05;20;15 Seth It was diagnosable anxiety because you could not mention the word dentist without honestly like a central nervous system shock. At least that's how I would. Yeah.

00;05;20;16 - 00;05;22;05 Stephanie That's how that's probably a good description.

00;05;22;09 - 00;05;22;29 Michelle Yeah.

00;05;23;01 - 00;05;38;05 Stephanie So once that happened, then I started looking around like I had heard so much about how the your typical dentist, doesn't really get to the root of the problem and doesn't really look at, the body as a whole.

00;05;38;08 - 00;05;40;13 Seth Pun intended.

00;05;40;16 - 00;05;43;05 Michelle Right, exactly. Yeah.

00;05;43;05 - 00;06;03;01 Stephanie And and I have had, you know, many health problems my whole life. And so I'm like man, I've got a, I've got to find something that's going to help me as a whole. And I think Carolyn Call was one of the first that I had seen. Talk about taking her son to get his wisdom teeth out.

00;06;03;05 - 00;06;04;00 Michelle

00;06;04;02 - 00;06;23;18 Stephanie And just, the importance of bio dentistry and the whole body approach and, I was like, okay, maybe, but then I, I, I talked, I believe it was to my sister in California and she's like, well have you heard of Total Care Dental with Doctor Michelle Jorgensen? And I was like, well, actually I did see something on that.

00;06;23;18 - 00;06;27;01 Stephanie And anyways, I think there was one other I'm like, okay, after three, you.

00;06;27;01 - 00;06;29;17 Michelle Know, you know, we need to do this. Yes.

00;06;29;17 - 00;06;40;17 Stephanie Yeah. So I was like, okay. And just, you know, really loved what I saw. And you know, once I felt really good and set up the appointment and drag my husband along.

00;06;40;19 - 00;06;40;28 Michelle Came.

00;06;41;05 - 00;06;43;11 Seth I did not I didn't have anxiety.

00;06;43;14 - 00;06;45;08 Michelle But like, oh, I was.

00;06;45;08 - 00;06;48;27 Seth Like, I haven't been in ten years and I don't have any toothaches.

00;06;48;29 - 00;06;50;26 Stephanie He's like, I'm fine, I'm good. I'm only.

00;06;50;26 - 00;06;52;05 Michelle Problems.

00;06;52;07 - 00;06;57;18 Stephanie I remember at the end of my appointment, not even at the end, he was like, okay, I need to set up an appointment.

00;06;57;21 - 00;07;05;26 Michelle That happens very frequently. People are starting to make a list. Okay, I need to call my grandma, my daughter. You know, everybody needs to come in. Yeah.

00;07;05;28 - 00;07;10;00 Stephanie What are you most passionate about right now? And what are you doing about it?

00;07;10;05 - 00;07;34;22 Michelle So definitely most passionate about my book and what it's going to be about. And really, I've been a dentist a long time, and a lot of the things that I share when it relates to dentistry are very new. And so people are like, what? You know, I love the jaw drop I'm getting. I get a lot of jaw drops when I talk to people because it's all very new information and it's great, but I'm kind of over it, you know?

00;07;34;27 - 00;07;37;23 Michelle I'm like, I've been talking about a long time.

00;07;37;28 - 00;07;57;18 Michelle I still love it and I still do love it. But now I'm ready to talk about how does this relate to the rest of you, and how does that all tie together? And I'm ready to talk about gardening and cooking, and how do you bring wellness to your kitchen and to your home and to every single day and do it in a way that's doable and not overwhelming?

00;07;57;21 - 00;08;12;16 Michelle And I know that you are really big in this as well, and really kind of I like to think of it as clearing a path through the mountains of information that people are exposed to today, because it's not that we have a too little information. I believe we have too much information.

00;08;12;16 - 00;08;13;09 Stephanie Absolutely.

00;08;13;09 - 00;08;17;26 Michelle And it's so hard to to differentiate what should I believe and.

00;08;17;26 - 00;08;20;01 Seth Everything Dorito information.

00;08;20;03 - 00;08;20;12 Michelle And the.

00;08;20;13 - 00;08;21;23 Seth Tomato chip information.

00;08;21;23 - 00;08;43;27 Michelle Everything. And and then five people are saying Doritos are good for you. And five people are saying that the tomato chip is good for you. And who do you believe? You know what I mean? How do you believe? And and so that's really my next mission. And, and my big mission. And this is combining nature and science. So as a practitioner I'm very versed in science and PubMed articles.

00;08;43;27 - 00;09;11;02 Michelle And you know, the way research works and all of that, it's difficult sometimes to navigate what that means. This is this is an interesting concept. So research studies the way they work is they can be they can manipulate the data almost any way you choose. And people don't understand this. So for example, let's say that we we found out that Doritos lessened your chance.

00;09;11;02 - 00;09;32;18 Michelle I did a study and found out that Doritos lessened your chance of heart disease by 50%. But when we really dig into the data, what we found out is that without a Dorito 99, people didn't have heart disease. But with a Dorito, 98 people didn't have heart disease. So that was a 50% improvement from two people to one person.

00;09;32;18 - 00;09;33;15 Seth Right.

00;09;33;17 - 00;09;41;25 Michelle And the data still, I can say there was a 50% improvement in heart disease when I eat Doritos.

00;09;41;27 - 00;09;43;09 Michelle So yeah.

00;09;43;13 - 00;09;50;01 Michelle But it was really only one person. It was, but it was 50% because the first without Doritos was two people. Does that does that make sense on.

00;09;50;01 - 00;09;50;10 Seth The Cool.

00;09;50;10 - 00;10;16;14 Michelle Ranch? Exactly. On the correct. So the problem is, is interpreting the research is challenging too. So you start to dig into the science and well, what does it mean? What does a meta analysis mean. What does it mean to look at the different kinds of so so science is confusing. And then nature we kind of forgot about, you know, every traditional medical society on the planet previous to about the last 100 years, use the Earth.

00;10;16;17 - 00;10;19;01 Seth Actually it it came.

00;10;19;08 - 00;10;20;06 Michelle That's all we had.

00;10;20;07 - 00;10;21;07 Seth Mother Earth.

00;10;21;09 - 00;10;39;10 Michelle That's all they had. So what I looked at this was this was a fascinating journey for me because I myself wanted to get well. And I said, how am I going to get well? Well, I like gardening, I like cooking, okay. Can I do it like with food, with plants, you know, can I do it this way? And so I started studying.

00;10;39;13 - 00;10;56;16 Michelle Are you Aveda? Which is an Indian. We were talking about Indian food earlier. You and I started studying our you Veda, which is thousands of years old from India. I started studying traditional Chinese medicine, which is thousands of years old from China. I started studying Native American medicine that was here in the United States area. I started studying German herbalism.

00;10;56;16 - 00;11;18;17 Michelle I started I started studying all of these different traditions, and I realized that all of them were saying the same thing. They just use different words for it. It was all related to the earth. Everything was relating it to fire, earth, water, air and plants, every single one of them. The way they classified bodies, the way they told you what to do, the way your body's constitution was.

00;11;18;17 - 00;11;29;14 Michelle They all related to the earth. And I said, they're just all using their own language. But I don't know, like if I tell you what, what dosha are you in? Are you Veda?

00;11;29;16 - 00;11;29;25 Michelle You know.

00;11;29;25 - 00;11;36;19 Michelle And if I tell you a lie, I'm actually Veda. But some pitta too, right? What does that mean?

00;11;36;21 - 00;11;37;16 Michelle Nothing.

00;11;37;16 - 00;11;37;24 Stephanie You know I.

00;11;37;24 - 00;11;53;01 Michelle Do. But if I tell you I'm actually a spring. This is a true statement. I'm a spring. You can start to think. Okay, spring. Lots of things come to life in the spring. Lots of, like, lots of things. You know, this is why I say I only have three businesses now, but they'll probably be more because I'm a spring.

00;11;53;03 - 00;12;13;00 Michelle Because I start a lot of things. But my husband is a fall, which is so great because fall finishes everything. Yeah, fall finishes everything. So I have a whole classification for just even yourself as a you know yourself, you're probably a spring, you probably fall, you know, and it's phenomenal collaboration between the two of you. You know, it's the way it works, but it's the.

00;12;13;00 - 00;12;13;12 Seth Way in.

00;12;13;13 - 00;12;16;17 Michelle It. You reap it. You get nothing. Nothing.

00;12;16;20 - 00;12;33;12 Michelle Nothing reaps in spring except for fast growing things, right? Only radishes. You only harvest radishes in spring, you know, because they were really fast. But the bodies also work in ways like this as well. So in spring, the organ systems that are related to it are the liver and the gallbladder. It's all detoxing. Guess what grows in the spring Greens.

00;12;33;14 - 00;12;57;29 Michelle And guess what? Detox is the body greens. So when your body is in a spring season based on your symptoms liver gallbladder issues, you need detoxing foods. So what I've created is a system, a model of care that you can understand using and harkening back to all of those ancient traditions, using them and combining them all into one, I brought them all together.

00;12;58;02 - 00;13;12;24 Michelle I have yoga poses for each of the seasons, but now I can say to you, you're in a summer season right now. What does that mean? Well, summer is all about the stomach in the heart. And, you know, and so these are your digestive issues or you have heart issues. These are the foods you eat. These are the herbs you use.

00;13;12;24 - 00;13;23;01 Michelle These are the ways you move your body. Like in the summertime. Are you going to go and run, you know, 30 miles. No, because you're going to overheat. So guess what you should be doing in the summer, even from a lifestyle standpoint.

00;13;23;07 - 00;13;24;09 Michelle Should we do a walk.

00;13;24;11 - 00;13;33;28 Michelle In the evening? You should be doing, you know, whatever it might be. So that's what this whole model is about. And that's what. So the book is titled Living Well, Doctor Michelle, that wasn't going to be the title.

00;13;34;01 - 00;13;35;08 Michelle But we went to literally 50.

00;13;35;08 - 00;13;53;06 Michelle Titles and they came back and said the title is living with Doctor Michelle. Is that fine? I guess that's the title because it really is about living the stuff you do every day. It's not about trying to sift through all the science that's a mess. It's not about trying to sift through all the influencers that tell you, eat this, eat this, by this, by this.

00;13;53;09 - 00;14;11;10 Michelle It's about saying, what is your body saying? Let's learn how to listen to it. So I have assessments that you take in there based on your symptoms. It walks you through everything you do and it brings you back to the five elements the earth, plants, water, earth, fire and air. How do you utilize them to be? Well, so that's what I'm passionate about.

00;14;11;10 - 00;14;17;02 Michelle Is that because to me, it's bringing everything that we used to know back to today.

00;14;17;05 - 00;14;20;11 Seth We're going to get grounded, right? We're going to hit the earth.

00;14;20;14 - 00;14;38;14 Michelle Is all about electrons that come from the Earth and electrolytes that carry the electrons. And teaching you these words that you sometimes hear but don't really understand. How does it actually work? And really the reason one of the part of the part of the reason I'm so passionate about this as well is this is my mission. I was literally told, this is what you're supposed to do.

00;14;38;14 - 00;15;00;29 Michelle This is why you got sick. This is why you need to teach people how to get better, because you had to learn how to get better. And all the all the profits that come from the book are actually going to charity. Every single penny. And they're going to charities that relate to the five elements, the earth. So like school lunch programs that bring food into lunches for kids, into clean water, programs that help bring clean water to civilizations wherever we might be.

00;15;00;29 - 00;15;12;12 Michelle Every penny is going to charity. So if you guys promote the book, those pennies will be donated in your name to charities. And that's what it's all going to be about, because we have to change the way we stay.

00;15;12;12 - 00;15;17;21 Seth Well, so bio dentistry, do you refer to yourself your practices, bio dentistry?

00;15;17;24 - 00;15;27;07 Michelle Now, I like to call myself health based dentistry because when I first started getting into this and you know, if people don't know my story, I got that I am what I am now because I myself got.

00;15;27;07 - 00;15;27;25 Michelle Sick.

00;15;27;28 - 00;15;48;08 Michelle And I didn't know what it was. I didn't know that dentistry could cause it, but it literally was because I'd been drilling out people's silver fillings, which are 50% mercury for ten years and breathing in all of the fumes of all of that. And I literally was the practice was for sale because I couldn't keep practicing. My my hands were so numb I couldn't hold instruments anymore.

00;15;48;13 - 00;16;04;15 Michelle It was bad. And so I started into this new realm of, well, what am I going to do? And I had to find a new way to practice. And it was really termed holistic. And people who are in the know like holistic and okay word. But when you're not, it just means crazy.

00;16;04;17 - 00;16;06;16 Michelle And it just means straight.

00;16;06;16 - 00;16;11;20 Michelle Up crazy. Like, I'm going to be wearing tie dye and doing this and you know, we got.

00;16;11;20 - 00;16;15;12 Michelle Incense burn incense. And when you come to think what.

00;16;15;14 - 00;16;21;26 Michelle You think of, in fact, one time we even put a sign up that said, you know, holistic dentistry. And a lady walked in and she said, If I'd known that, I would never have come.

00;16;21;29 - 00;16;23;22 Michelle You know? And so we said.

00;16;23;22 - 00;16;44;19 Michelle All right, perhaps that word brings a little bit of meaning that we don't really want associated with us, even though it makes sense. Like holistic just means whole body. It makes sense. But there's been a lot of misnomer attached to that word. So I like the concept or just to call myself health based. We just look at your health and say, how does your mouth affect it?

00;16;44;21 - 00;16;58;21 Michelle So it's pretty straightforward because you say biologic dentist or bio dentist. People don't really know what that means either. You know, it's just kind of a made up word. So nobody really knows what that means either. So I'm happy with all of them. But I like to call myself health based.

00;16;58;23 - 00;17;11;09 Seth Tell us more about about your own poisoning. Yeah. Like, how long have you been practicing? And like, how how did you like, how did you treat that?

00;17;11;12 - 00;17;27;02 Michelle You know, and it's interesting. That's a that's a great question because that really is the rest of my story I, my the beginning of my story was, yeah, I was sick, I had gut issues and that was kind of the first thing. But who doesn't? You know, that's kind of what I thought, you know, who doesn't have gut issues?

00;17;27;08 - 00;17;42;07 Michelle I'm not that different. But the big ones were memory. I've always had a good memory. I was the kid in school. Like I'd read a page and I could tell you any word on it. You know, I could. I can just remember. But I stopped remembering anything. I couldn't remember a patient's name from room to room, and so I knew something was drastically wrong.

00;17;42;10 - 00;17;57;04 Michelle And then the numbness, I couldn't blow dry my hair. I couldn't put my mascara on, I couldn't sleep, I would literally have to sleep sitting up because my hands would be so numb. I couldn't do any of these things and I couldn't hold instruments. So I, like I said, I put the practice for sale, was trying to figure out what I was going to do.

00;17;57;04 - 00;18;13;04 Michelle I was in my early 30s and my husband actually works for the practice too. He does all the accounting and bookwork and behind the scenes things. And so we were without a job if we had to sell the practice. So I finally talked to somebody and he said, have you looked into mercury poisoning? I said, I don't know what you're talking about.

00;18;13;04 - 00;18;30;01 Michelle I don't have any fillings because in school they told us, yes, these fillings have mercury. And then we learned that. But no one ever said it could be a problem for the dentist. In fact, they said, if you tell anybody that mercury could be problematic for their health and it could be related to their mouth, you will lose your license.

00;18;30;04 - 00;18;31;06 Michelle That was all we were told.

00;18;31;09 - 00;18;32;14 Seth You're strong. Earned.

00;18;32;17 - 00;18;33;06 Stephanie Wow.

00;18;33;06 - 00;18;51;12 Michelle Yeah. You will lose your license because there was this crazy dentist named Hal Huggins in Colorado, and he lost his license. Telling anybody that like, their MMS could be cured from taking out their silver fillings. So don't even go there. Don't touch it. Never say it. So that's all I had ever heard. And so this, this other dentist was telling me, check your mercury levels as well.

00;18;51;15 - 00;19;09;22 Michelle I've checked everything else. I guess I might as well check that too. Checked it and it was off the charts. Mercury toxicity and all of a sudden all the symptoms made sense. Because mercury is a neurotoxin. So it's affecting my nerves, my memory, my brain, my gut. Mercury interferes with zinc absorption, which helps to make stomach acid. So my stomach wasn't making acid anymore.

00;19;09;22 - 00;19;28;17 Michelle I mean, all these things all of a sudden lined up and I had to figure out how could I keep being a dentist and removing fillings, but do it in a way where I could get better because, you know, you know, a detoxing. You can't get stuff out if you keep putting it in. You have to stop putting it in to get it out.

00;19;28;19 - 00;19;39;16 Michelle So I found the organizations that did this. They actually had protocol for how to do this. I had never heard of them. Nobody ever talked about them. They were the crazy people over there. You know, we didn't talk to those plastic. Exactly.

00;19;39;16 - 00;19;42;21 Michelle There was a dentist over there. We don't talk to those people.

00;19;42;23 - 00;19;47;19 Michelle But I started just doing it for my own self. And as I would change things and patients would say.

00;19;47;21 - 00;19;48;25 Michelle You're doing the few things.

00;19;48;25 - 00;20;04;08 Michelle Differently here, you know, why are you wearing this crazy mask and why are you covering me now when you when we take out these fillings, what's going on? I started explaining that and they started saying, my doctor might be interested in this. My chiropractor talks a lot about this kind of stuff. Would you be interested in talking to them?

00;20;04;11 - 00;20;22;05 Michelle And that's how I learned it from other practitioners, not dentists. Dentists are clueless dentists don't know. So I tell people this all the time, it's not the dentists don't tell you or trying to hide something they literally don't know. They don't know. I didn't know I'd never heard of it. And I was I was the dentist that was going to see courses, you know, education courses and things.

00;20;22;05 - 00;20;41;25 Michelle My entire career I was always learning more. Never heard a word about this. So how did I get better? And that's really the part of the story that I've never really told. And that is what I was doing up until May was writing, writing a book, and it will be published next May. Books take a long time when it's with a traditional publisher.

00;20;41;25 - 00;20;57;13 Michelle It's actually with a subsidiary of Simon and Schuster. So this is a real big girl book because I've written five other books, but they were not big girl books. They were ones I published on my own. You know, they were they were great. But this is all about how do you help every single cell on your body be well.

00;20;57;16 - 00;21;16;15 Michelle And I use my healing journey. And how I got there as a little bit of the story or the genesis of it, but it's all about what do your cells need and how do you provide that for them. And that's so that's what I had to figure out for myself. How do I get this junk out of me, and then what do I replace it with, and how do I do that?

00;21;16;17 - 00;21;29;14 Michelle So that's it took a long time. It wasn't an overnight process. I would say I'm still not there completely and I don't know if I ever will be, but I'm much better now. I'm still crazy as ever. So obviously things have improved.

00;21;29;16 - 00;21;31;19 Seth I think the crazy had nothing to do with the Mercury.

00;21;31;19 - 00;21;34;09 Michelle You know what, I think maybe I couldn't.

00;21;34;09 - 00;21;35;19 Michelle Utilize the crazy nearly.

00;21;35;19 - 00;21;39;13 Michelle As well when I wasn't well, so yeah.

00;21;39;16 - 00;21;46;15 Michelle So it took a long time. But detoxing, massive, massive detoxing was the key to all of it.

00;21;46;17 - 00;21;55;26 Seth You talk about patients noticing you're doing different protocols, like, let's just put it on the table. The patient's the one with that that filling in their mouth.

00;21;55;29 - 00;21;57;03 Michelle

00;21;57;05 - 00;21;59;15 Seth What are the potential health concerns.

00;21;59;17 - 00;22;20;28 Michelle Yeah. So that is the most dangerous time is when that fillings being removed. So people don't understand when I'm talking about fillings I'm talking about silver fillings. We call them silver or amalgam. They are 50% mercury have been since they were created clear back in the 1830s and in England still are today. They're still being placed in metals in the United States as well.

00;22;20;29 - 00;22;24;07 Michelle They've been banned in numerous European countries, but they're still legal here.

00;22;24;10 - 00;22;27;12 Seth U.S is a little. I was always a little behind when it comes to.

00;22;27;12 - 00;22;45;18 Michelle And I have theories on why they're behind. The reason they're behind is because our because of us is so lawsuit based litigious. And if the FDA, the FDA, anyone were to come and say these fillings are dangerous, it could create health issues. Every dentist who's ever placed or removed a mercury filling would be under class action lawsuit.

00;22;45;19 - 00;22;47;19 Seth You'd open up a floodgate and.

00;22;47;19 - 00;23;04;11 Michelle They can't do it. They simply can't do it. So they won't. So they won't ever say that. So we have to. So I have to say what I can say, you know, and I can say that mercury is neurotoxic. So it's going to affect memory. So people who talk about brain fog and issues like that, it's going to affect neurologic function.

00;23;04;11 - 00;23;21;05 Michelle So people have, you know, tingling in their feet. They don't, you know, have poor nerve function in their feet. And they think, oh, this is diabetes or, you know, something? Well, no, it actually could be mercury liver because that's where the body's trying to detoxing. So a lot of liver issues show up because of mercury. I like I said, I had numbness in my hands.

00;23;21;08 - 00;23;38;00 Michelle Gut issues because it interferes with the way your stomach produces stomach acid. These are all kind of the top tier ones that you're going to see in everybody. There's a lot of other neurologic issues that are related to it, even beyond that, but those are the big ones that people notice. So yeah, when you get that feeling.

00;23;38;00 - 00;23;57;08 Michelle So let's say you have a filling break, a tooth break, and it has a mercury filling in. It has a silver filling in it. Well, if that's just drilled out normally with pieces flying and vapor flying off and you're swallowing chunks, you just got a whole bunch more mercury. And what mercury does is it goes and moves to a new neighborhood.

00;23;57;10 - 00;24;17;16 Michelle So it lived in this neighborhood. Now it's going to go move to a new neighborhood. And the neighborhood that it loves are liver, brain and other organs. It just goes and hides, so you can't just get rid of it. Very simply, it's not a it's not an easy thing to get out of the body because it goes and really moves into the neighborhood and it takes it built a house, built a fence so you can't really get to it.

00;24;17;18 - 00;24;33;25 Michelle So getting the filling out without having these extra precautions is extremely dangerous. I tell people, leave them in your mouth, they're actually better in your mouth than to get it out without getting it out safely, because you're going to have this huge exposure. It's going to move everywhere else into your brain and other places.

00;24;33;27 - 00;24;36;25 Stephanie So what is getting it out safely look like?

00;24;36;27 - 00;24;51;29 Michelle So what we do is we have multiple precautions, multiple levels of precaution, actually in your mouth itself. And we use a rubber dam so that there's no chunks that you're going to swallow. We have a giant vacuum that goes right here at your chin. So it's going to take all that vapor. This way. We use two suction.

00;24;51;29 - 00;25;14;21 Michelle So one on each side of the tooth. So there's basically three suction sources that are doing it. We cover your face because mercury also is absorbed through the skin. So we cover your face we cover your whole body. We use, air filtration system in the room. That all has to happen. We also have you swish with chlorella beforehand, which allows any chunks that get in the mouth through all of our other precautions to be grabbed.

00;25;14;27 - 00;25;19;08 Michelle And then we have you swish after to get rid of it too. So all those things.

00;25;19;10 - 00;25;20;22 Michelle Wow. Yep.

00;25;20;27 - 00;25;25;16 Michelle That's why people started noticing. I think something's different.

00;25;25;19 - 00;25;31;20 Seth I dentist or a hazmat. Exactly right. They might be one in the same.

00;25;31;20 - 00;25;50;13 Michelle Yep, yep. And we are the only place basically west of the Mississippi Mississippi that has rooms that are closed rooms so that we're not filling the whole rest of our office with Mercury, too. So even somebody sitting in the reception area could have an issue if we're fillings being removed in that office, because now it's circulating through the Hvac system, you're getting mercury vapors.

00;25;50;16 - 00;26;14;26 Michelle So this is all a real thing. Now, if you break a mercury thermometer, you're going to have to call like poison control. You know, you you can't dispose of that. People talk all the time about mercury and vaccines, about mercury in salmon. And you know, fish and tuna. And do they ever talk about mercury in fillings? It's literally the number one source of mercury in the entire environment is mercury flux.

00;26;14;28 - 00;26;23;29 Michelle Nobody talks about it, nobody talks about it. And the other concerning thing is dentists have a really high rate of suicide, which is very odd.

00;26;24;02 - 00;26;24;23 Seth Interesting.

00;26;24;24 - 00;26;38;23 Michelle Isn't that interesting. And they always I was scratch my head and say, well, why? Oh, it's so stressful. I can think of very stressful jobs that aren't dentistry. Let me just let's name them Crane operator. You know, 1000ft above the ground, you know.

00;26;38;25 - 00;26;43;03 Seth Traffic, air traffic control. I mean, I think we are doctors.

00;26;43;05 - 00;27;04;19 Michelle You know. Yeah, there's some. Right? There's some very stressful jobs. But why are dentists committing suicide? Because guess what mercury does to your brain fries it. And the toxic profession isn't talking about it. I have numerous dentist friends who commit suicide. Why? Because our brains are being fried by it. Nobody's talking about it. It's too scared to.

00;27;04;21 - 00;27;06;22 Michelle It infuriates me.

00;27;06;24 - 00;27;08;05 Stephanie Yeah. So sad.

00;27;08;07 - 00;27;18;18 Michelle Yep, yep. So for patients and so everything, every single time you chew or swallow your teeth together, if you have a silver filling in your mouth, it's releasing mercury into your body.

00;27;18;20 - 00;27;19;21 Michelle Wow.

00;27;19;23 - 00;27;24;20 Seth Just why we're on the subject. What are your thoughts about mercury in vaccines?

00;27;24;23 - 00;27;26;13 Michelle Again, that's another one that you go, all.

00;27;26;13 - 00;27;29;22 Michelle Right, do you touch this? What you do with it?

00;27;29;25 - 00;27;52;11 Michelle Well, it's interesting because I have been working with a functional medicine practitioner to actually join our practice. This is another this is why I say three now might be a fourth because probably a functional medicine practice will be there soon. And I discuss this with him. The challenge people don't understand the challenges with practitioners sometimes. So Mercury is part of the preservative process with a vaccine.

00;27;52;13 - 00;28;19;04 Michelle And if you have a preservative free vaccine, the companies will only sell you them in lots of about 12. So if they have one pediatric patient that comes and says, I want to use preservative free vaccines, well, the the doctor themselves actually has to purchase 12 of them. So now you have to have 12 patients that want a preservative free vaccine in order to use up all of the stock, or you have to charge that one patient about $1,500 for that one vaccine.

00;28;19;07 - 00;28;44;20 Michelle So this is the challenge that practitioners face as well. And it's a challenge for everyone because they don't want to have vaccines that have other issues like mercury and other problems in them, but they are also struggling to figure out how to financially make it viable to offer options for people. So we just kind of avoid that one entirely and go to some other methods for vaccination if possible.

00;28;44;23 - 00;28;59;19 Michelle But this is one that we're struggling with right now. So what we're hoping to do is to create a clientele large enough that we can then have options that are very good, where people don't have to choose either or it's, oh no, we can't do this well.

00;28;59;19 - 00;29;17;27 Seth And you, you actually, at based on and people can can catch your bio at the show, but you decided not to only study and understand dentistry. You went back and got some additional certifications in, I don't want to say holistic.

00;29;17;29 - 00;29;18;17 Michelle Exactly.

00;29;18;21 - 00;29;26;05 Michelle A bad word. No. Yes, a natural naturopathy. So basically looking at the whole body completely head to toe, how does it connect to.

00;29;26;05 - 00;29;32;21 Seth Your natural path? Yep. And the dentist and a functional nutritionist might remind me.

00;29;32;21 - 00;29;33;26 Michelle Yeah.

00;29;33;28 - 00;29;35;27 Seth Therapeutic nutritional counselor.

00;29;35;28 - 00;29;36;14 Michelle Yeah.

00;29;36;16 - 00;29;47;19 Seth Really tying in again. It's. And you're seeing this come to fruition in your practice where it's not simply, you know, drilling and filling. Yeah.

00;29;47;22 - 00;30;09;09 Michelle Right. Dentistry is largely mechanic work if you think about it. It's largely being a mechanic. Somebody you have broken tooth and you need a fixed. So they're going to make something and put it on. It's kind of like an oil change or you know what I mean? Broken axle belt or, you know, broken axle or changing the brake, the brake pads.

00;30;09;09 - 00;30;32;27 Michelle I mean, that's kind of what dentistry is. And it's interesting. I just had a conversation this week with an EMT, and she was even bemoaning a little bit this specialization. She said the problem would be became specialists. Is that we all stopped paying attention to anybody else's area. Yeah. And so I was discussing a lot with her about tongue ties and lip ties and how it affects the growth and development of the mouth.

00;30;32;29 - 00;30;49;01 Michelle And that growth and development of the mouth then affects the airway and the nose and the breathing, which is now her area. Right? Not in my area, but her area. And she said, I never look at lip ties or tongue ties. For some reason we forgot that like the front of the face was connected to the middle of the body in the airway as well.

00;30;49;01 - 00;31;05;17 Michelle And so she was bemoaning this idea. And that's exactly what's happened to me, to medicine in general, is that we forgot that we're all connected head to toe. And so one thing that we do affects everything that we do. And this concept of a side effect, everybody hears this, right? I mean, you hear it on the commercials on TV, they name off like 50,000 side effects.

00;31;05;17 - 00;31;21;16 Michelle And then at the end they say, and you might have death, but then but you should take it anyway. So a side effect simply means that anything you put on your body affects every cell in your body. Some we want. That's our desired effect. That's the reason we take it. Let's say we take ibuprofen. It's because we have a headache, right?

00;31;21;16 - 00;31;26;24 Michelle Our desired effect to take make the pain go away. But that ibuprofen actually acts on every single cell on the body.

00;31;26;24 - 00;31;29;14 Seth As 37 trillion cells are frozen.

00;31;29;21 - 00;31;42;11 Michelle All of them. And some of them don't work very well with ibuprofen like your gut. And it creates leaky gut, basically. And you can get gut bleeding because of ibuprofen. It's simply because everything works on every cell.

00;31;42;14 - 00;31;43;01 Michelle

00;31;43;04 - 00;32;01;11 Michelle And the same thing goes with everything that we use, everything that we take, every doctor that we go to, everything we do works on every single cell. So we really should be looking at us as simply just a big old mass of cells. And everything we do. Should we aim to think about what does it do to every single cell when I do this?

00;32;01;13 - 00;32;11;09 Michelle So that's why we have tried to pull it all together and say, it makes no sense to separate it out. Let's look at the body as a whole, top to bottom.

00;32;11;12 - 00;32;13;17 Seth Heal the cell. Heal the body.

00;32;13;21 - 00;32;19;28 Michelle Heal the cell right. Heal the body. Exactly right. So that's why it was a little different when you came in as a patient.

00;32;20;01 - 00;32;21;28 Stephanie It was a lot different.

00;32;22;01 - 00;32;23;18 Michelle Exactly.

00;32;23;20 - 00;32;24;16 Michelle That's what we hope to do.

00;32;24;17 - 00;32;30;23 Stephanie What are the top three reasons women should be concerned about, historic or common dentistry practices.

00;32;30;25 - 00;32;53;08 Michelle So there's three biggies inside of dentistry that can affect your overall health. The first one we've already talked about, which is metals, not just mercury. There's also other metals in the mouth. There are old, old cell crowns have a metal core underneath, but usually it's a precious metal, which means gold, platinum, silver, palladium, those kind of metals.

00;32;53;10 - 00;33;10;27 Michelle Some real cheap crowns. Old crowns had nickel in them, which a lot of people struggle with. Nickel women particularly struggle with nickel in earrings and rings. They're the whether, you know, you wear the cheap jewelry and you're like, oh, was my finger green? And why do my ears itch now? You know why they red? It's because they have nickel in them.

00;33;10;27 - 00;33;31;18 Michelle So a lot of women are actually sensitive to nickel. So that's a problem with mercury. We're not seeing it as much anymore. But titanium implants is another problem. So just metals in general. The mercury titanium implants and the interesting one with titanium implants, this is really a fascinating one for me. Metals conduct electricity, right. The heat up when you put them in hot water.

00;33;31;18 - 00;33;35;11 Michelle You know this is why when you can't get that stuck lid off of the jar, what do you do?

00;33;35;14 - 00;33;38;07 Seth Put under, put it under. Run hot water in your sink. Why?

00;33;38;08 - 00;33;56;19 Michelle Because it speeds up the molecules. The molecules move faster and they expand. And then you're able to take that lid off. So metals conduct electricity to conduct heat. That's why you can't put a metal pan on microwave. I remember years ago we had like one of the first microwaves. Nobody had microwaves. We had this microwave. We were so cool and put a metal pan on it.

00;33;56;19 - 00;33;57;20 Michelle What happens?

00;33;57;23 - 00;33;59;23 Michelle Sparking like crazy, right?

00;33;59;26 - 00;34;01;17 Seth We're talking, science experiment.

00;34;01;18 - 00;34;23;14 Michelle Science experiment. Yep. So metals conduct electricity and they're affected by frequencies. So a microwave is a frequency. There's a freak, a wave that goes through the metal, heats it up. Guess what Wi-Fi cellular frequencies are? They're all frequencies. We can't see them. And interestingly enough, we can't see most energy waves. If we could, we could actually see we'd be like.

00;34;23;20 - 00;34;53;28 Michelle We would be surrounded by everything. You know, we can't see infrared. We can't see heat. We can't see. We can only see visible wavelength. There's so many other frequencies we're surrounded by. And now that we have all this Wi-Fi and cellular frequencies, as they move through metals, they heat them up. And what they're finding is in orthopedics, knees and hips and shoulders, literally, the bone is melting away because as these frequencies are passing through the metal, it's heating them up 4 to 5 degrees, which then starts to kill the bone surrounding these metal parts.

00;34;53;28 - 00;34;54;22 Michelle And pieces of us.

00;34;54;24 - 00;34;58;04 Seth Just because you got the metal in you correct. And you're just living.

00;34;58;06 - 00;34;58;18 Michelle It's getting.

00;34;58;18 - 00;35;02;25 Seth Smaller. It's not like you're you're putting a cell phone on your shoulder. No, we're just talking about.

00;35;02;26 - 00;35;05;21 Michelle I mean, think about how many ways are we hit a hit by right now?

00;35;05;21 - 00;35;07;29 Michelle Bluetooth and how many Wi-Fi?

00;35;07;29 - 00;35;15;23 Michelle If we pulled up on our phone and looked up the number of Wi-Fi, you know, we could pick. I mean, how many would probably pop up in this building? Probably 500, you.

00;35;15;23 - 00;35;16;09 Michelle Know what I.

00;35;16;09 - 00;35;39;17 Michelle Mean? And so we're just surrounded by these frequencies. Yeah. So it's just a part of life. So metals are problematic because of the frequency filled world we live in. So that's one. The second one is hidden infections. Where do they hide at the end of all root canals and where teeth were removed? Most frequently wisdom teeth. So those are biggies.

00;35;39;17 - 00;35;59;14 Michelle Root canals are the bane of my existence because I see so many failed root canals and they don't just fail nicely when I fail, when they when I say fail, I mean they get reinfected. And when you have a root canal, the nervous gone, the nervous removed. So now the warning system is gone. You have no idea that it's reinfected because there's no more nerve.

00;35;59;14 - 00;36;18;00 Michelle It's a dead. It's a dead organ. So the tooth is dead. But we left it in the body. I joke all the time. If you had your gallbladder taken out. What? They take it out, clean it up and shove it back. No. Why? Because bacteria always find dead stuff, a tooth, etc.. Now is dead. It's a dead thing and bacteria always find it.

00;36;18;00 - 00;36;42;19 Michelle You have no nerve. You have no idea it's reinfected. So this infection grows. It affects your body. So your body's like dealing with this chronic infection. We see autoimmune disease, everything all the way down to cancer. Because your body can't deal with nonstop infection and something else. So it just can't deal anymore. So we see all these issues and these infections are so huge they blow huge holes and sinuses, huge holes out the side of people's jawbones.

00;36;42;26 - 00;37;01;02 Michelle I take these CT scans and I think, oh my gosh, you have a quarter sized hole into your sinus. You wonder why you have chronic sinus infection because you have a failed root canal that's eaten a hole in the bottom of your sinus, and it's filling it nonstop with infection bacteria all the time. No wonder you wake up and you kind of constantly have this post nasal drip.

00;37;01;09 - 00;37;15;27 Michelle No wonder you've been on 15 antibiotics. And it never gets better because the source is the infected tooth. So this is my every day talking to people about root canals. So that hidden infection there and there's often hidden infection where teeth were removed and they didn't heal. So that's number two.

00;37;15;28 - 00;37;20;20 Seth I've been there like you, I been there, you've been we did. We did the scans.

00;37;20;20 - 00;37;22;17 Michelle You know all about those little surgery.

00;37;22;17 - 00;37;32;08 Seth Cavitation. Yeah. Hey, we should have a lot more bone density here. What was happening? What happened? Oh, I had a root canal. A couple of them, I think. Yeah.

00;37;32;13 - 00;37;52;19 Michelle Yep. And now it's eating away the jawbone and causing massive issues. Body weight because of it. And then the third is breathing. People don't realize that those infections cause swelling in the back of your throat. We take out teeth for braces. Why do we take our teeth? Are braces? Because it's easy. Like if you were to come in your kid were to come in and they had a whole bunch of crooked teeth, guess what?

00;37;52;19 - 00;37;55;26 Michelle The easy way is to straighten them, take some of them out. Yeah.

00;37;55;29 - 00;37;57;13 Michelle It's easy right? Yeah, yeah.

00;37;57;13 - 00;38;13;01 Michelle There's lots of them to straighten. Perfect. Makes it so much easier. But the problem is, is the tongue and all the tissues in the back of the throat, in the mouth. They have to have so much space to live in, like they need a garage. Well, if you take out teeth, you now make the garage tiny. So you're trying to fit your big, full size truck in there.

00;38;13;01 - 00;38;33;05 Michelle And the garage is only as big for as big as a little, you know, a VW bug to fit. So where does the tongue in the tissue have to go back into the space of the air should go breathing. And now you don't breathe. Now you don't sleep now, kiddos, with the bed until they're 14. Why? Because they're not getting enough air at night and it leads to irritation in the bladder.

00;38;33;07 - 00;38;52;03 Michelle Now, kids have ADHD symptoms like crazy. They can't focus. They're tossing and turning all night long. They wake up with these dark circles under their eyes. Women all the time. I see women all the time. They're covering up. They're using concealer to cover up these dark circles under their eyes. What is this? What are they concealing? They're concealing the fact that they can't breathe.

00;38;52;06 - 00;38;54;03 Michelle That's what it means. Oh, wait.

00;38;54;05 - 00;38;55;00 Seth Have you read? Breathe.

00;38;55;07 - 00;38;55;28 Michelle Oh, yeah.

00;38;56;01 - 00;38;56;09 Seth Okay.

00;38;56;09 - 00;38;57;04 Michelle We spoke.

00;38;57;07 - 00;38;59;24 Seth We are. We are into it. Yeah.

00;38;59;28 - 00;39;00;24 Michelle Fabulous book.

00;39;00;25 - 00;39;12;03 Seth We haven't read it in the last two weeks. It's probably been over a month, but. But we are reading this book and it's. We go in the sauna actually in our infrared sauna and read that book. And it's actually fascinating.

00;39;12;03 - 00;39;13;08 Stephanie It is very fascinating.

00;39;13;10 - 00;39;19;27 Michelle Yep, yep. Breathing is it affects 80% of people. This lack of being able to get enough air make can't be.

00;39;19;27 - 00;39;21;24 Seth Well, make America breathe again.

00;39;21;26 - 00;39;22;08 Michelle There you go.

00;39;22;15 - 00;39;25;28 Seth Make America make America breathe again with Doctor Michelle Jorgensen.

00;39;26;00 - 00;39;29;05 Michelle My book. Would you like to coauthor it?

00;39;29;07 - 00;39;33;27 Michelle Let's do it. Let's do it. Exactly right. So those are the.

00;39;33;27 - 00;39;38;00 Michelle Three big ones metals, infection and breathing.

00;39;38;02 - 00;39;40;03 Stephanie I only had a couple.

00;39;40;05 - 00;39;41;12 Michelle Yes. I think you two have.

00;39;41;13 - 00;39;44;05 Seth Already had all three of those, didn't you?

00;39;44;08 - 00;39;44;29 Stephanie No. Metals in my.

00;39;44;29 - 00;39;48;05 Seth Mouth. Oh. No metals. Oh, you didn't have any fillings.

00;39;48;07 - 00;39;49;29 Stephanie I had fillings, but no metals.

00;39;50;01 - 00;39;50;24 Michelle Okay? No matter.

00;39;50;28 - 00;39;53;13 Michelle One's getting only a two out of three.

00;39;53;13 - 00;39;54;08 Michelle Two. Okay.

00;39;54;12 - 00;39;59;20 Seth You're flying high I. Good job, good job. I think I had on.

00;39;59;25 - 00;40;00;24 Stephanie My jeans roll.

00;40;00;24 - 00;40;04;05 Seth I think I might have had all three. Yeah. So you know. Yeah.

00;40;04;05 - 00;40;08;09 Michelle Those weren't teeth. That means you can't breathe. So what? That means straight up.

00;40;08;11 - 00;40;12;07 Michelle It's. What are you going to do about it? He's going to hurt his teeth from now on.

00;40;12;09 - 00;40;24;01 Seth Oh, this is a choice. This is a choice. You can either hide it or you can ignore it, or you can do something about it. Oh, what is the next step for me? By the way.

00;40;24;03 - 00;40;27;22 Michelle It's great questions to diagnose you right now.

00;40;27;24 - 00;40;30;06 Seth Is it is it is it is it the mild.

00;40;30;08 - 00;40;37;05 Michelle Is it probably make it more space. Make it more space for everything to live. You got a full size truck? I mean, have you seen the hat you're wearing?

00;40;37;12 - 00;40;45;17 Michelle You know, you're only driving trucks. They got a full size truck and the tiny little garage.

00;40;45;19 - 00;40;49;05 Seth I ain't getting into a little two seater Hyundai.

00;40;49;06 - 00;40;54;13 Michelle Exactly. Okay, we gotta get a bigger garage. Oh.

00;40;54;15 - 00;41;06;19 Seth Yes. Speaking. Speaking of bigger garages, let's talk to women because your audience, interestingly, you know, you you we were doing doing the stalking on you, which, of course, you provided the information for us too.

00;41;06;19 - 00;41;08;00 Michelle So that was nice of me.

00;41;08;01 - 00;41;26;05 Seth Shout out to Pam. Shout out to Pam. Yep. In the office. But I had no idea you had a large file. Like. Like I didn't realize how big you're following is just because we're we're already in it. We're already in the stream, you know, we're we. By the way, if you ever get invited to Michelle's house for dinner.

00;41;26;07 - 00;41;53;12 Seth Incredible. And we said, like, we got a link. We can't get this all done. And, you know, in 90 minutes today, but beautiful yard, beautiful gardens. Your garden was two months ahead of my garden. Our garden I, I was like, how did you do this? We're building two greenhouses by right now. Yeah. Two greenhouses. Oh, women, your your audiences worldwide, 89% women.

00;41;53;12 - 00;42;05;07 Seth Yeah. Which is actually ours. Ours is probably like 98 because, you know. Yeah, not all men listen to all the episodes. Although we do have some very, very faithful men who we call men who know.

00;42;05;10 - 00;42;08;26 Michelle There we go. Right. Any other wise, yeah.

00;42;08;29 - 00;42;11;29 Michelle Because women make health care decisions.

00;42;12;01 - 00;42;16;13 Stephanie Just like, you know, me finding her and you coming along.

00;42;16;13 - 00;42;17;12 Seth And bringing the credit card.

00;42;17;12 - 00;42;18;05 Michelle Yep yep.

00;42;18;07 - 00;42;18;21 Seth Yep yep.

00;42;18;26 - 00;42;23;02 Michelle Yep. Women make the health care decisions. So they're the ones who go searching.

00;42;23;04 - 00;42;29;01 Seth What can women do now? Particularly for children?

00;42;29;03 - 00;42;29;19 Michelle Yep.

00;42;29;21 - 00;42;38;29 Seth Like what are what are 1 or 2 important lifestyle changes habits that they can implement that'll make a difference from, you know, from birth.

00;42;39;02 - 00;42;57;12 Michelle Yep yep. So the first thing is just keep the teeth clean. But that's what everybody knows. That's all anybody knows is brush your teeth, make your kids brush your teeth. You know. But I do reinforce it. And I have four kids. I have two grandbabies and people will say, well, my kids cry when I brush their teeth. I say, great, that means the mouth open already.

00;42;57;12 - 00;43;08;28 Michelle Then you know. Oh, honestly, there's some things in life that are worth a cry, you know, that are worth. But there's something else that you do die on, and that's one of them.

00;43;08;29 - 00;43;12;03 Seth You're not going to imprint that. You're a bad person. And this is not abuse.

00;43;12;03 - 00;43;24;17 Michelle No, this is not abuse is simply brushing their teeth. They'll say, oh, but they're going to brush that on their own. Guess what? They're capable of brushing their teeth on their own when they're capable of cutting, using a knife and fork effectively. Which think about your kids. How old is that?

00;43;24;17 - 00;43;26;05 Michelle Like eight. You know, I.

00;43;26;05 - 00;43;27;02 Seth Thought I was going to say 18.

00;43;27;03 - 00;43;29;23 Michelle

18. Fresh. Depends on the kid, you know.

00;43;29;23 - 00;43;43;05 Michelle So they just don't have the dexterity to do it. And so just do it for them. You have to do it for them until they're like. And so usually by the time they're three four in the in the negotiating stage, I negotiate and say, okay, you can do it once a day and I don't want today.

00;43;43;05 - 00;43;44;04 Seth I like that too.

00;43;44;05 - 00;43;44;23 Michelle Okay. You know.

00;43;44;23 - 00;43;57;07 Michelle You do what you which one do you want. Do you want to do morning or do you want to do night. You know, that way they get to choose, but you're still making sure that you're getting in there. Once a day because they're just simply not going to clean. And the other thing that it does is it gives you eyeballs on their teeth.

00;43;57;09 - 00;44;14;19 Michelle It makes me so sad times when moms bring in kiddos and, you know, we're doing a happy visit, we call it. And they're three years old and we're looking in the mouth. And I have to say, there's four teeth that are literally decayed almost to the gum line here. They have four abscessed teeth. And I was like, what do you what do you mean?

00;44;14;22 - 00;44;19;21 Michelle And I show them, you know, kids screaming at this point because they're in the dental chair. And I'm like, well, mouth's open. Come on.

00;44;19;21 - 00;44;21;19 Michelle In. Let's look, you know, and.

00;44;21;21 - 00;44;23;09 Michelle They've never really looked in the mouth.

00;44;23;09 - 00;44;24;13 Michelle Before.

00;44;24;15 - 00;44;41;11 Michelle So you have to be in there enough to see what's going on. And then there's other moms that say, I see this teeny tiny little black speck, and I'm like, perfect, because you saw it when I was so small, we could do something simply about it. We can heal that one, you know? But by the time it's big and it's, you know, it's going to be a problem.

00;44;41;11 - 00;44;55;27 Michelle So get in there and be a part of the cleaning, be a part of their their tooth care. You have to be. And the way what I like to clean with. So we haven't talked about fluoride at all, but this is a big one that moms need to know about. Parents need to know about. There was just it's interesting because it's not a recent study.

00;44;55;27 - 00;45;16;14 Michelle It was released about a year ago, but national media just got wind of it. A study that showed that fluoride decreases IQ in children definitively. That's a hard one to define, and they definitively showed it. There was a meta analysis of a whole bunch of different studies, so it's not worth it. And fluoride used to be used historically.

00;45;16;14 - 00;45;27;26 Michelle They used it for as a treatment for hyper hypothyroidism, which means it decreases thyroid function. And it's been known for a long time because it used to be the treatment of choice for hypothyroidism.

00;45;28;00 - 00;45;29;15 Seth So let's put that into all of our kids.

00;45;29;16 - 00;45;50;19 Michelle Exactly. And it's not a function where we're putting it in the water or putting it everywhere. We're giving it to you. When you come to the dentist, we're putting these big trays that have concentrated fluoride in them, and having these suck it all down. We're sitting there swallowing all of it. So fluoride is a big issue. So, moms, you don't have to use fluoride and don't let your dentist shame you into it, because that's what happens.

00;45;50;24 - 00;46;06;28 Michelle You get shamed into it. You get you, take you, you go to the dentist and they're like, oh, you don't know anything. Your kid's going to have a mouth full of cavities. It's going to be all your fault. And that's what they hear. It's not true because there's an alternative to fluoride and it's called hydroxyapatite. And it's literally just the mineral that teeth are made of.

00;46;07;05 - 00;46;27;04 Michelle Sometimes you don't use fluoride anymore. You're going to use hydroxyapatite. So hydroxyapatite tooth products are going to be your tooth powder or toothpaste. I have a tooth powder that I have a kid version. Your kiddos love it. I know it's citrus flavor. It's great. Kids like it. You're going to use that. We have a hydroxyapatite containing mouthwash as well.

00;46;27;06 - 00;46;49;01 Michelle And literally moms, you can rebuild and regenerate and heal cavities if they're small with these materials. So you got to get hydroxyapatite into them. No more fluoride. The third thing is, is just be really involved with how are they sleeping? Are they mouth breathing? Are they tossing and turning a lot? Do they have ADHD symptoms? Are they bedwetting?

00;46;49;01 - 00;47;05;29 Michelle If they have any of these things, we need to start growing their mouths. We need to start directing the growth. And there's things you can do starting at age three with this to direct the growth and deployment of the mouth, because we don't want you to turn into one of those 80% of adults who are struggling to get enough air at nighttime.

00;47;06;02 - 00;47;06;25 Seth 80%.

00;47;06;27 - 00;47;18;21 Michelle 80%, 80%. And if you are not getting enough air at nighttime, it's going to decrease your life expectancy by 20%. So if you're going to live to 80, you're not going to live to 60. Are you okay with that?

00;47;18;24 - 00;47;19;17 Stephanie No.

00;47;19;20 - 00;47;35;29 Michelle Exactly. Neither am I. So there's things we can do about it. So the cool part in kiddos is they're so plastic. They're so malleable and moldable. We can we can change. And why or why do we need to like why? There's two big things people question me about all the time. Why do we need to get wisdom teeth out?

00;47;36;02 - 00;47;45;10 Michelle And why do so many people need braces? It's like this. Just like rite of passage, right? Your wisdom teeth out when you're like 16 to 18 and you get braces when you're 12 to 14.

00;47;45;12 - 00;47;46;16 Seth Let me guess. They're the same answer.

00;47;46;17 - 00;47;48;24 Michelle They're the same answer. You might guess what it is.

00;47;48;24 - 00;47;49;23 Seth I'm thinking truck.

00;47;49;26 - 00;47;53;00 Michelle Truck, truck. I'm thinking I'm thinking.

00;47;53;01 - 00;47;54;22 Seth F-350 truck in the garage.

00;47;54;22 - 00;47;55;25 Michelle And why?

00;47;55;25 - 00;48;18;17 Michelle Why is the garage too small? Because it didn't used to be too small. If you take skulls from people who died, like, 300 years ago, they have all the teeth in their head and they all fit and they weren't crooked. What changed? Nutrition levels in our food? The first bone affected by malnutrition is the top job, and I learned this personally because I adopted a little boy at two and a half.

00;48;18;20 - 00;48;38;14 Michelle He was extremely malnourished. His top jaw was so small it fit completely inside of his bottom jaw, and his teeth were lined up like airplanes on an on a runway. There was so little room in his mouth and I was like, what the heck happened to this kid? Like, what is going on here? And that's when I learned that malnutrition, the first bone affected is your top job.

00;48;38;17 - 00;48;51;01 Michelle So we're called the most overfed under nourished population on the planet has ever lived, because the food we eat doesn't have nutrients in it anymore. It's nutrient deficient.

00;48;51;01 - 00;49;10;23 Seth So we're processed and we're going to the grocery store 80% of what's outside. We're not even getting to the organic, you know, and, and what's and the glyphosate that may be in our vegetables, but but let's just stick over to the 80% of the rest. The real estate is ultra processed food is that we're talking.

00;49;10;23 - 00;49;28;10 Michelle About exactly right. And when they ultra processed that, they take they strip it of all of the natural vitamins and minerals, and then they will they will fortify it by putting some back in. But they're going to put back in the least expensive version of the thing. So they're going to say fortified with calcium, you know, fortified with this.

00;49;28;13 - 00;49;51;15 Michelle Well, they're going to put the least expensive version of that thing in, which is going to be an inorganic version, which is like a rock. Well, we don't actually absorb rocks. We pass them through. So when you're getting fortified fortified foods, you're getting foods that your body actually can't use. So it sounds great. They stripped everything out of it, put a whole bunch back in, but they put the part that they put back in your body can't utilize.

00;49;51;18 - 00;50;19;26 Michelle So our bodies are nutrient deficient, particularly in minerals and the vitamins that are required to absorb minerals. So vitamin D3 and K2 are required to absorb minerals properly and our bodies aren't getting them. So a child isn't getting enough minerals through the diet or through supplementation or whatever other reason you look like you are there. They're the right size, they have enough calories, you know, so you don't realize that actually the nutrients are deficient.

00;50;19;28 - 00;50;39;29 Michelle So if there's not enough, the bones don't grow properly. And the first bone affected is the top jaw, which leads to crooked teeth and not enough room in the mouth for wisdom teeth. So now pretty much everybody needs braces and their wisdom teeth out. They didn't used to. So moms, what do you do? We need to get nutrients into our kiddos.

00;50;40;04 - 00;50;58;04 Michelle The best way is to grow our own food, because where are the nutrients in the food come from the ground? This is the problem. The ground that food is grown in today doesn't have nutrients in it. All they do is they spray the top part of the plant with fertilizer that grows the plant, but it doesn't actually add nutrients.

00;50;58;04 - 00;51;10;22 Michelle The nutrients come from the ground, right? But they don't grow in ground usually anymore. They don't grow a ground that's full of nutrients. So the best way is going to grow in the ground. But I mean, I talk to people everywhere, not everybody gonna be able to grow a garden like you and have a greenhouse like.

00;51;10;24 - 00;51;11;11 Seth Or like and.

00;51;11;11 - 00;51;11;24 Michelle Like know, you know.

00;51;11;25 - 00;51;12;12 Seth We're like, you.

00;51;12;12 - 00;51;32;19 Michelle Know, we're fortunate. We're very fortunate that we can. So where do you find it? Well, you find growers that have food that grew in the ground. So that's farmers markets, those kinds of things. If that's not even available, then you're going to supplement. You're going to supplement with real nutrients. So food based supplements that actually have the real version that your body can utilize, you just have to get enough.

00;51;32;19 - 00;51;38;27 Michelle So most kids nowadays are probably going to have to be on a food based supplement just to get enough.

00;51;39;00 - 00;52;06;03 Seth Land and cut the boxes, like cut the number of boxes that your food comes out. Sometimes I really think the things that I grew up eating, my favorite things. You kidding me? Growing up? Give me a Cheeto. Like, even now, I said the word Cheeto. Pavlovian response. My mouth is watering right now because I eat a lot of cheese balls.

00;52;06;03 - 00;52;34;23 Seth Those little the little cheese puffs too. Although I prefer the crunchy Cheeto, but really like, is there any value Doritos? Cool Ranch? Yeah, like if you just want to know my flavor of choice, Cool Ranch, there is almost nothing. Almost like I don't even I can say the word almost. That's probably very generous. There is nothing nutritive about that.

00;52;34;23 - 00;52;39;14 Seth And so and now we're not going to get into conspiracies. I mean, just.

00;52;39;16 - 00;52;40;12 Michelle The way our world is now.

00;52;40;13 - 00;52;42;27 Seth It is the way it is. This world is.

00;52;43;01 - 00;52;43;09 Michelle Yeah.

00;52;43;15 - 00;52;53;01 Seth But I could sit down and when we travel because we travel a lot and then we're on the road, you know, a lot. And Steph knows if I get tired, then I need something.

00;52;53;01 - 00;52;53;17 Michelle A munchie.

00;52;53;17 - 00;52;54;29 Seth I need a munchie. Yes.

00;52;54;29 - 00;52;56;03 Michelle Yep.

00;52;56;06 - 00;52;59;24 Seth You know what the problem with real food is? You can't munch it.

00;52;59;26 - 00;53;01;03 Michelle Other than carrots.

00;53;01;05 - 00;53;04;17 Michelle Yeah. It's like it's like.

00;53;04;20 - 00;53;28;28 Seth You can only be Bugs Bunny to a certain degree. Yeah. Like I could literally down and in half a bag. Giant bag of Doritos on on a little road trip because I'm tired. Crunch. I love that you like crunch, right? The flavor. But the crunch keeps you awake. Yep, I try that. Try that with nuts. Like you cannot eat three cups of nuts.

00;53;28;28 - 00;53;36;23 Seth Believe me, folks, do you want that issues? You're gonna have gut issues. Carrots, celery, broccoli. Right.

00;53;36;25 - 00;53;52;04 Michelle You can't eat that much. And it's actually, I have this in my book. There's a thing called the APA set. It's in the hypothalamus, and it's basically your thermostat for hunger. And we think it's calories, but it's not calories, it's nutrients. So the reason you can eat the whole bag of Doritos is because there's.

00;53;52;04 - 00;53;52;19 Seth Nothing.

00;53;52;19 - 00;53;53;11 Michelle Nutrients.

00;53;53;11 - 00;54;07;19 Michelle In it. Yeah. So your app that says still empty, still empty is why you can eat so much junk food and you still feel hungry because you're APA sat still says empty. Yeah. And this is why you can only eat so many carrots.

00;54;07;21 - 00;54;07;24 Michelle For.

00;54;07;24 - 00;54;10;26 Michelle Somebody. That's because they're full of nutrients. And your app says fool.

00;54;10;29 - 00;54;15;00 Michelle No more dumb cut off. So you gotta.

00;54;15;04 - 00;54;16;18 Stephanie Try to figure out some other way to stay.

00;54;16;18 - 00;54;18;00 Michelle Awake as.

00;54;18;03 - 00;54;34;05 Seth Well. So so part of it, it's called GLP one. It's just called that hormone. I'm not talking about the injectables. I'm talking about what if what if the actual GLP one hormone in your body which controls that. And we've actually got an episode coming upcoming on that way.

00;54;34;06 - 00;54;35;14 Michelle This is the big talk now.

00;54;35;18 - 00;54;53;17 Seth It is a big talk. And we're going to get all things gut health. I'm not just talking about dieting and wellness, but but it part of it is the mind and part of it is the body. Number one, I just, I just can't eat it like I don't eat it anymore. Like you bought that bag of Doritos.

00;54;53;17 - 00;54;55;02 Seth You're so kind.

00;54;55;04 - 00;55;05;06 Stephanie Okay, so usually a good wife. Usually we're on the road and, like, out of nowhere, he stops at the gas station and buys this tiny little bag, and I'm like, how much was that?

00;55;05;08 - 00;55;08;25 Michelle Same the giant bag at the mall on Costco.

00;55;08;28 - 00;55;09;24 Seth My answer, though.

00;55;10;00 - 00;55;10;29 Stephanie Is always like.

00;55;11;01 - 00;55;11;17 Michelle I don't know.

00;55;11;22 - 00;55;25;10 Stephanie Like I don't look like I'm like, I am buying your bag at Costco and we will put it in there. I tell him I don't want to because I know this is crap and it's horrible for you, but if you're going to buy it anyways, then I'll buy you a bag and we'll save it for you for when we're.

00;55;25;11 - 00;55;29;25 Seth On three 5350 for the giant bag, or 350 for the.

00;55;29;28 - 00;55;30;23 Michelle 75 or.

00;55;30;23 - 00;55;47;22 Seth 75 for the two small bags. And, and it must be a nostalgic thing from the past two because I don't eat them that often, mainly road trips or like, I like, I like I have this thing like I in program Doritos. Are you kidding me? They do delicious, right? They are delicious. I mean, I.

00;55;47;23 - 00;55;54;15 Stephanie Used to feel that way, but like, the more that I filled my gut and I've made better choices, you even talking about it's making me cringe.

00;55;54;21 - 00;55;55;10 Michelle Yeah.

00;55;55;12 - 00;55;55;26 Seth Yeah.

00;55;55;28 - 00;55;58;26 Michelle It's good. So you're coming around. Yes.

00;55;58;29 - 00;56;01;04 Seth I yeah. So I will say for the.

00;56;01;04 - 00;56;04;02 Stephanie Record how bad it was for me to have to buy it.

00;56;04;04 - 00;56;06;16 Michelle I was like, oh, she's like.

00;56;06;19 - 00;56;10;06 Seth She's like she had to go and she's like, father, I have sinned.

00;56;10;08 - 00;56;13;20 Michelle Nobody, nobody in the store. Please look at my cart right now. Seriously.

00;56;13;24 - 00;56;25;07 Seth Here we go. We preach health and wellness. Honestly, though, I can tell you, like in the last three years, I haven't had one bag of Doritos. Like, really? I think we've cut that down. You're giving.

00;56;25;07 - 00;56;25;27 Michelle Me not.

00;56;25;27 - 00;56;27;12 Stephanie One in the last three years.

00;56;27;19 - 00;56;28;06 Seth Not more.

00;56;28;06 - 00;56;28;24 Michelle Have you? One?

00;56;28;29 - 00;56;39;28 Seth Not more than one. What I'm saying is aggregate. I haven't eaten more than a bag of Doritos in the last three years, because I just literally haven't wanted to edit that out. Please.

00;56;40;01 - 00;56;42;07 Michelle Oh.

00;56;42;09 - 00;56;45;08 Seth We have a disagreement. We have an impasse here.

00;56;45;09 - 00;56;48;26 Stephanie I really count on one hand. And the last one hand.

00;56;48;28 - 00;56;51;15 Michelle Baloney. There's no nothing like I've.

00;56;51;15 - 00;56;54;05 Seth Been a changed man, Dave.

00;56;54;07 - 00;56;57;11 Stephanie Is that why you're still craving Doritos?

00;56;57;13 - 00;57;15;12 Seth Only because we started talking about. So this. You know, we have this Mercedes Sprinter 24 footer that we travel in, right, with the kids we were doing. We're on the road doing meetings and and interviews and whatnot. So this big bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos is sitting up there, and it's been sitting up there for probably 6 to 12 months.

00;57;15;14 - 00;57;16;01 Stephanie No.

00;57;16;01 - 00;57;18;05 Seth Yes.

00;57;18;08 - 00;57;25;22 Stephanie It it maybe like the last maybe the last few trips, I, I don't even think I bought it 6 to 12 months ago.

00;57;25;27 - 00;57;46;12 Seth We're going to check the Costco receipt in a future in a future episode. It's just so that we have because we're going to put the facts in. It doesn't matter who's incriminated. So anyway, they've been there for a while and I just every trip. I don't want to, Michelle. I just don't want to. This is good. This is great.

00;57;46;15 - 00;58;10;16 Seth And and one of the things is we're taking better food with us. Because again, when you travel convenient like we're convenient society. And part of the problem is our convenience has become 24/7, right? As opposed to, well, we're here, we're traveling, you got this going on. Whatever. So we started, we got a freeze dryer. This was one of the decisions that I made in our family that.

00;58;10;19 - 00;58;11;22 Seth So, Stephanie.

00;58;11;24 - 00;58;15;12 Stephanie I'm like, okay, are we really going down this road now?

00;58;15;14 - 00;58;19;11 Seth I knew where I was going, I knew where I was going. So Steph got this freeze dried.

00;58;19;12 - 00;58;21;24 Michelle That's right.

00;58;21;27 - 00;58;47;00 Seth And so we get access tomatoes from the garden. Right. Celebrity tomatoes or Moscow tomatoes. Right. And we thin slice them like a chip. Like like a tomato slice. You put on a tomato sandwich. Yeah. And you freeze, dry it and it comes out and it becomes a tomato chip. Have you. I don't know if you ever had that, but we do.

00;58;47;00 - 00;59;14;20 Seth We do with our cherry tomatoes to slice them in half, round side down. And you know what happens in with with freeze drying foods. It concentrates, it preserves the nutrition. Right. 98% of 797% of it. So it's really really good. But now we're, we're taking this nutrition and it it impacts the flavor. It actually amplifies the flavor.

00;59;14;23 - 00;59;28;24 Seth And now but the problem is like I can't sit down that doggone old half a meter whatever it's called me. That's the app stat for me. You know, it's not the Dorito meter right. The Dorito stat.

00;59;28;24 - 00;59;30;16 Michelle So so she can't eat very many.

00;59;30;18 - 00;59;39;08 Seth Well, okay. Go. You eat 1010 tomato chips. You just eight, two, two to make two full on tomatoes.

00;59;39;10 - 00;59;41;21 Michelle Yeah right. You better says you're dead right.

00;59;41;27 - 00;59;43;24 Michelle You need more munchies. That's the problem.

00;59;43;27 - 01;00;00;25 Seth Well, you know. Yeah. And I guess part of it I just been changing. I don't know where going with this, other than the fact that, we're making changes and you have to be willing to. Yeah, I didn't know about the APA stat, but I've been thinking about it. Yeah. We eat so much food. Well, I'm not. We eat.

01;00;00;25 - 01;00;05;11 Seth We consume so much stuff on the plate. Right.

01;00;05;11 - 01;00;07;13 Michelle But it is feeding us.

01;00;07;14 - 01;00;14;03 Seth It's not feed like feed yourself, which doesn't mean necessarily eating.

01;00;14;06 - 01;00;20;15 Michelle And you know, we're talking to women. My big thing is I never want to guilt a mom. I mean, my gosh, there's another.

01;00;20;17 - 01;00;21;00 Seth Couple.

01;00;21;03 - 01;00;22;14 Stephanie Around, right?

01;00;22;17 - 01;00;30;13 Michelle So I never want to guilt to mom and say, oh, well, you know, you can't do that. Drive through. You're going to ruin your kid's teeth for life. You know, now they're not going to breathe and they're going to die.

01;00;30;13 - 01;00;31;25 Michelle At 60 because it it's.

01;00;31;27 - 01;00;32;09 Michelle All your.

01;00;32;09 - 01;00;34;10 Seth Problem. It was all yours because of in.

01;00;34;10 - 01;00;35;10 Michelle And because in and.

01;00;35;10 - 01;00;58;18 Michelle Out. Right. There's been an out epidemic. You know, I'm never going to say that, but it's just all about knowing a little bit more so that you can change choices slowly. You know? And I often joke about how when I first, when we first decided we were going to change our diet and started doing some things differently, we went and my, my sister in law actually owned a health food store at the time, which was super convenient, you know, but we didn't know what we were doing in a health food store.

01;00;58;18 - 01;01;00;25 Michelle I mean, we were like, I don't let any of this stuff.

01;01;00;28 - 01;01;02;10 Seth So that's for holistic.

01;01;02;17 - 01;01;06;21 Michelle Exactly. For holistic people. So we didn't know what we were doing. So we're going up and.

01;01;06;21 - 01;01;14;03 Michelle Down the aisles and we see these like organic gummy bears and we're like, oh, our kids like gummy bears. So we bought a case of organic gummy bears and now I just.

01;01;14;03 - 01;01;17;08 Michelle Crack up about that. Oh, okay. So I thought.

01;01;17;08 - 01;01;37;08 Michelle The word organic made it healthy somehow. You know, I've learned a lot in the process, but that's the way we change is by the process. It's one step at a time. It's one step at a time. So right now, just get your kids some gummy vitamins, get your kids some whole food, gummy vitamins that they like that you can throw some, you know, some plant based vitamins in their system.

01;01;37;08 - 01;01;44;26 Michelle Just start there, you know, and slowly start slowing down on the drive through and, you know, adding some other things into.

01;01;44;27 - 01;01;46;01 Seth The fine as much cardboard.

01;01;46;03 - 01;01;52;27 Michelle Yeah, don't buy so much cardboard and start looking for some real foods. And you know, but it's it's a process. It doesn't have to happen overnight.

01;01;52;29 - 01;01;55;02 Seth It can be otherwise it's overwhelming.

01;01;55;02 - 01;01;57;00 Michelle It's overwhelming. Absolutely.

01;01;57;03 - 01;02;06;04 Michelle Yep. You can't do it all at the same time. That's why from a tooth perspective, just brush their teeth. And are they sleeping? You know, just let's just start there.

01;02;06;06 - 01;02;20;17 Seth I, I thought I had this recollection and Stephanie will correct me if I had this recollection. Did you say something about nursing and aid and oral development, mouth development structure?

01;02;20;18 - 01;02;21;17 Michelle Yep. Absolutely.

01;02;21;17 - 01;02;24;06 Seth Pacifiers I don't know. I don't know if you want to just touch base.

01;02;24;07 - 01;02;46;10 Michelle So the issue is that the tongue pressure against the roof of the mouth is what actually forms the roof of the mouth. That's just the way the body develops. So when a baby is nursing, the tongue, it goes between the nipple and the roof of the mouth or the, the tongue is below, then the nipple, then the roof of the mouth, and the pressure that is needed to nurse actually puts pressure on the roof of the mouth.

01;02;46;10 - 01;02;59;10 Michelle Then it forms the roof of the mouth wide enough. So if there's not nursing again. I've adopted two kids. I couldn't nurse them. So again, I'm the last one that's going to guilt a mom and say, oh, you have to nurse till they're four years old or they're not going to ever be smart because.

01;02;59;12 - 01;03;00;05 Michelle You know, I mean.

01;03;00;11 - 01;03;20;24 Michelle I'm just never going to say anything like that ever, ever, ever. Because I couldn't nurse to my kids, you know, this wasn't even possible. So what are alternatives? There's things that are close to the same as a breast would be. There's close to. But it's all about frequency and the amount of how long you're going to continue this.

01;03;20;24 - 01;03;45;20 Michelle So we want the pressure while the mouth is developing. However, if you starting to use sippy cups or binky's pacifiers well past that about 18 months time, what the body now does is it starts to narrow back again because the widening was that tongue pressure. But now there's teeth. And so the teeth and the cheeks and the pressure of the sucking, you know, you got that pacifier in the mouth and you're sucking.

01;03;45;20 - 01;04;07;25 Michelle You're now constricting everything back, making everything narrower again. Kids don't need to have a bottle past the age of, you know, 12 months old. They don't need a pacifier past the age of 18 months old. They just don't need it. And a lot of this one I get a lot of fire about breast milk can cause cavities. People like, oh no, it cannot.

01;04;07;25 - 01;04;26;26 Michelle It's the most wonderful thing on the planet. I'm like, I'm not debating that. Breast milk has sugars in it, natural sugars in it. This is what feeds the baby. Of course it has sugars in it. It's all about does it stay on the teeth? Well, here's the cool part. Kids don't actually have teeth until they're about six months, 6 to 12 months old, so you can nurse safely.

01;04;27;02 - 01;04;37;04 Michelle No problem. Once the teeth start coming in six, eight, ten months, you actually the babies should be sleeping through the night. They don't need a nighttime nursing anymore.

01;04;37;04 - 01;04;38;20 Seth It doesn't need to be sitting on there doesn't need.

01;04;38;20 - 01;04;59;05 Michelle To be sitting on the teeth. This is one thing because if you're daytime nursing, the baby swallows and gets it, clears it out of the mouth, no problem. So the system is set up right. It's when we start to push against the system, when we start doing nighttime feedings until they're 12 months, 18 months, two years, three years, you're bathing the teeth in sugars, natural sugars.

01;04;59;05 - 01;05;13;28 Michelle I it's I agree with you. It's all wonderful. But they shouldn't have a nighttime timing. They shouldn't have it a nighttime. So I get a lot of flack about this and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Nursing is fabulous. I absolutely recommend it. But you don't need to be doing it after about eight months old at nighttime, kids don't.

01;05;14;00 - 01;05;36;18 Michelle They can sleep through the night. It's proven. Go look it up. They can sleep through the night. They don't need sugar breast milk pooling on their teeth at nighttime after that age. Otherwise it causes cavities. And people say, well, what does it look like? It's cavities all across the front teeth right here and on the back molars. So if your kiddos have that, you're looking at milk decay and they'll say, oh, that only happens with the bottle.

01;05;36;20 - 01;05;37;25 Michelle Happens with any milk.

01;05;37;27 - 01;05;43;13 Stephanie So three of my four biological children started cutting teeth around 3 or 4 months.

01;05;43;15 - 01;05;47;09 Michelle So apparently they were ready to sleep through the night earlier.

01;05;47;11 - 01;05;49;18 Stephanie I don't remember that exactly.

01;05;49;20 - 01;05;50;12 Michelle So what you can.

01;05;50;12 - 01;05;54;26 Michelle Do is you can use a blanket or a washcloth and just sweep the mouth after nursing.

01;05;55;03 - 01;05;55;28 Stephanie Home.

01;05;56;00 - 01;06;05;15 Michelle Just get it out of there. Or sometimes even just a finger on the tongue will induce a swallow. Oh, so just don't let them nurse to sleep and then leave it there.

01;06;05;20 - 01;06;06;05 Michelle Okay?

01;06;06;08 - 01;06;13;02 Michelle You take it off the bread, you take baby off the breast. Put your finger in there, swallow, do a quick sweep off to sleep.

01;06;13;05 - 01;06;15;09 Seth So I started using this tooth powder.

01;06;15;11 - 01;06;18;22 Stephanie That just magically appeared.

01;06;18;25 - 01;06;23;03 Michelle It's amazing. Isn't that how things like that happen? Your house is amazing.

01;06;23;05 - 01;06;27;25 Michelle I'm gonna ask you. All right? I'm cool with it. Like.

01;06;27;27 - 01;06;42;12 Seth That's right. Like me and my big tracker, like, just. Yep, yep. No, we agree. We agree. It's amazing. Yeah. So Steph brought the tooth powder home, you know, and now we we, you know, it's like the American Express. We never leave home without it.

01;06;42;14 - 01;06;44;14 Michelle Okay.

01;06;44;17 - 01;06;51;17 Seth We travel with it. It's great. But I will say like what's your what's been your experience with with the tooth powder. Like I can tell the difference.

01;06;51;19 - 01;06;55;03 Stephanie I think the biggest thing for me is I love how clean it feels.

01;06;55;05 - 01;06;55;11 Michelle Yeah.

01;06;55;19 - 01;06;58;03 Michelle It's what everybody says. Like it feels like I just went to the dentist.

01;06;58;03 - 01;06;59;19 Seth Yes it does.

01;06;59;21 - 01;07;22;09 Michelle So there's a little trick that toothpastes use. They use foaming agents in them. The reason they use a foaming agent is because it makes it feel like it's doing a lot. And when it starts to foam up then you feel like you've done your job and you're done. So you spit it out and you didn't actually clean a lick of your teeth, you know you didn't clean anything.

01;07;22;16 - 01;07;30;05 Michelle So the foaming is a problem because it disguises the fact that your teeth are still dirty, but they're all foamy. Feels great.

01;07;30;05 - 01;07;32;00 Seth When your mouth is full of foam.

01;07;32;00 - 01;07;33;12 Michelle You gotta spit it. You got it. You're done, you're.

01;07;33;12 - 01;07;34;11 Michelle Done, done, done. Put it.

01;07;34;11 - 01;07;48;05 Michelle Away. Run! Go! So there's no foaming agent. The tooth powder is, you know, doesn't foam up at all, which people kind of have to get used to. But I want that because I want you to feel. Did I, did you clean it? Is it clean or not? So yeah, it cleans and it replaces all those minerals that we talked about.

01;07;48;05 - 01;07;49;25 Michelle The hydroxyapatite. It just replaces.

01;07;49;25 - 01;07;50;03 Michelle Them.

01;07;50;03 - 01;07;51;08 Seth Remember realizing your teeth.

01;07;51;11 - 01;08;07;12 Michelle Criminalizes the teeth. And when teeth are full. So teeth are they can get porous with just diet with acid in the acid. So acid in our diet, acid from our gut acid from bacteria, they will get porous. And then they feel kind of that almost rough. You know what I'm talking about. You can feel it when they're full of minerals.

01;08;07;12 - 01;08;18;28 Michelle They feel very smooth. It's like, oh, I feel super clean and just smooth. It's because they're really they have their defenses are up there. They're defended now because they're full of minerals.

01;08;19;00 - 01;08;20;16 Michelle So. Yep.

01;08;20;18 - 01;08;24;09 Seth So this is a new experience for me because I grew up with, you know, Aquafresh.

01;08;24;09 - 01;08;26;02 Michelle So did I. Right.

01;08;26;04 - 01;08;26;22 Michelle The little.

01;08;26;22 - 01;08;28;11 Michelle Swirl. Yes.

01;08;28;14 - 01;08;36;00 Seth I thought it was so cool. My grandparents used Aquafresh. Yep, I think. And our family was using something else. Probably crest.

01;08;36;03 - 01;08;36;22 Michelle Heaven forbid.

01;08;36;25 - 01;08;59;17 Seth I know, but it was just cool. As my grandparents toothpaste, right? So I grew up using them. You put this big and you put a teaspoonful on teaspoon and a half in the big round, right? And you brush your teeth. So it was really a change when we went to tooth powder, which is like somebody put sand in a jar.

01;08;59;20 - 01;09;02;20 Michelle That's not a sand. Right. And made it. It's actually like.

01;09;02;22 - 01;09;03;20 Seth Hydroxyapatite.

01;09;03;21 - 01;09;04;10 Michelle Yeah.

01;09;04;13 - 01;09;16;05 Seth And you get your tooth brush wet because. Because if you just put it in there, well this is how I do it. I don't know if I'm doing it correctly. I didn't even read the instructions. That's that's how I get a shocker.

01;09;16;07 - 01;09;18;29 Michelle Yes.

01;09;19;01 - 01;09;21;00 Michelle You can't screw up things like that. You just.

01;09;21;01 - 01;09;21;14 Seth Can't screw.

01;09;21;16 - 01;09;22;07 Michelle That.

01;09;22;09 - 01;09;24;10 Seth Are you supposed to get a toothbrush? Right?

01;09;24;12 - 01;09;25;18 Michelle That's typically the way you do it.

01;09;25;18 - 01;09;26;23 Michelle You just lightly wet it.

01;09;26;26 - 01;09;33;05 Seth Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you get it, you get a little wet, and then you stick it in there because you don't want to to make a mud bath.

01;09;33;05 - 01;09;33;21 Michelle Correct.

01;09;33;21 - 01;09;35;26 Seth Which the first time our children.

01;09;35;26 - 01;09;36;19 Michelle Made a mud bath.

01;09;36;19 - 01;09;57;17 Seth They did. And it was all I was so mad. Anyway, you just dip it in there. Yeah. And kind of coat all the bristles and then you start brushing. And again it's a different feeling because you don't have the Aquafresh full, like, you know, hot tub suds coming out of your mouth. But after I finished oh my goodness.

01;09;57;17 - 01;10;02;29 Seth Yeah. It was like, you know, I felt like I'd just been to a dental cleaning.

01;10;03;00 - 01;10;08;05 Stephanie In fact, I think it took at least a few days or more for him to even try it because he's like, I.

01;10;08;05 - 01;10;10;11 Michelle Don't know how to do it.

01;10;10;13 - 01;10;13;14 Seth I don't remember.

01;10;13;16 - 01;10;14;10 Michelle Okay, I'm not.

01;10;14;10 - 01;10;16;17 Seth Saying it didn't happen, I don't remember.

01;10;16;17 - 01;10;19;10 Michelle There's no memory. And that's what a lot.

01;10;19;10 - 01;10;30;27 Michelle Of people say. They're like, it's a real it's kind of there's a learning curve to this. But then what do you do? Yeah, some people are like, I will never brush my teeth with anything ever again. In fact, I'm developing a toothpaste right now for the holdouts that.

01;10;30;27 - 01;10;32;10 Michelle Simply won't use the.

01;10;32;10 - 01;10;39;24 Michelle Tooth powder. They're like, I just can't do it. It's just too weird. I just can't do it. So I'm developing a toothpaste, and I'm the number one test subject for all of these developments.

01;10;39;24 - 01;10;41;11 Michelle You know, when I'm formulating products.

01;10;41;13 - 01;10;51;05 Michelle My family and me, you know, and so I have like seven different versions of the toothpaste on my counter. And every day I look at it, I think, okay, which one I'm going to use, I really just kind of want to use a tooth powder.

01;10;51;07 - 01;10;52;01 Michelle But I guess I have to.

01;10;52;01 - 01;10;54;03 Michelle Try one of these paste and they are very good.

01;10;54;03 - 01;10;55;04 Michelle Don't get me wrong, they're going to be.

01;10;55;04 - 01;11;00;22 Michelle Amazing, but they don't have the same cleaning effectiveness. It just doesn't feel the same.

01;11;00;24 - 01;11;01;01 Michelle

01;11;01;06 - 01;11;02;20 Michelle Slick you know. Yeah.

01;11;02;23 - 01;11;13;07 Seth Yeah. Well I do the powder and then I and then the mouth rinse. And and again you also you're not supposed to spit these out necessarily. Don't rinse your mouth.

01;11;13;09 - 01;11;14;12 Michelle Yeah. You don't rinse you spit.

01;11;14;17 - 01;11;46;15 Seth So you not yet but you don't rinse your mouth out because you're leaving all that hydroxyapatite. All those minerals on there. Right. Yep. Well so check out our website right listeners for our favorite products. So if you go to the Forever Young Show. Com click on our favorites, favorite products. You can find Doctor Michelle's specially formulated formulated tooth powder mouth rinse in partnership created by just ingredients.

01;11;46;15 - 01;11;47;01 Seth Right?

01;11;47;03 - 01;11;47;19 Michelle Yep.

01;11;47;21 - 01;11;50;06 Seth Awesome. So you just got back from Cambodia?

01;11;50;13 - 01;11;51;16 Michelle

01;11;51;18 - 01;11;52;28 Seth For a couple of weeks.

01;11;53;00 - 01;11;59;00 Michelle I was there, yeah. 18 days. Long time. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I brought back some friends that were unwelcome,

01;11;59;03 - 01;12;00;05 Michelle Parasites. Yeah.

01;12;00;05 - 01;12;02;19 Michelle So I went to my, well, cell. I went to my cell wall model.

01;12;02;19 - 01;12;06;06 Michelle And I say, okay, what does my cells currently need? And what am I in there?

01;12;06;06 - 01;12;08;03 Seth Like, this is a hurricane.

01;12;08;06 - 01;12;09;19 Michelle The summer season close.

01;12;09;19 - 01;12;12;21 Michelle Let's bring it on. Let's burn those babies out of there.

01;12;12;23 - 01;12;14;09 Michelle Yep. So, yes.

01;12;14;15 - 01;12;15;26 Michelle It's very useful.

01;12;15;28 - 01;12;19;12 Seth We want to talk to you about Africa. On another occasion.

01;12;19;14 - 01;12;23;18 Michelle You need a lot of that in Africa as well. So we.

01;12;23;20 - 01;12;26;04 Seth We do water and education.

01;12;26;04 - 01;12;29;11 Michelle And so I need to know your chair. So we're going to put it on the list for water.

01;12;29;11 - 01;12;31;13 Seth Charity hearts and hands for humanity.

01;12;31;13 - 01;12;34;03 Michelle Perfect. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yep, yep.

01;12;34;03 - 01;12;47;03 Seth And next time you get, you know, we'll sequester. Let's sequester ten days and, let's go to Tanzania and let's draw some wells and, teach women, in the schools and the girls.

01;12;47;05 - 01;12;47;23 Michelle Yep.

01;12;47;26 - 01;12;48;06 Michelle Yep.

01;12;48;07 - 01;12;48;21 Michelle That's so.

01;12;48;21 - 01;12;55;04 Stephanie Great. The girls about their bodies and their menstrual cycle and how it's a gift and all those beautiful things.

01;12;55;04 - 01;13;04;12 Michelle And isn't it a crazy thing that they don't know? I've often thought this because I joke that I'm going to go and teach people how to grow food in India, and people are like, well, don't people in India know how.

01;13;04;12 - 01;13;05;11 Michelle To grow food?

01;13;05;13 - 01;13;22;23 Michelle Haven't they been doing it a lot longer than we've been doing it here? I'm like, you know what they used to know? Yes, they used to know. But for some reason, our Western influence of just relying this is actually one of my missions to is to help people reclaim their ability to stay. Well, they don't have to depend on pharmaceuticals, on doctors, on any of these things.

01;13;22;23 - 01;13;38;16 Michelle You actually have the ability. Your own body is the only thing that heals. Nothing that you put in it heals it. Your own body does the healing. So we have the ability. We just have to learn. We have to relearn how. So thank you for teaching them again things that they knew probably years ago but just have haven't remembered, haven't passed on.

01;13;38;16 - 01;13;38;28 Michelle Yeah.

01;13;38;28 - 01;13;57;08 Stephanie We've also taken on an orphanage and right before we took it on, we, we would go, we have a gentleman that a local that lives here and we'd give them money to get food, I think, few times a month. And then we also had a, volunteer group go over and plant a garden and teach them how to do that and all of that kind of stuff.

01;13;57;08 - 01;13;58;27 Michelle So, so good. Yeah.

01;13;59;04 - 01;14;01;14 Stephanie It's amazing. Amazing.

01;14;01;16 - 01;14;11;24 Seth You are the CEO of your health, of your life, of your wellness. You have choices. Yep. You got the executive decision. And don't give it. Don't give it to anybody else. Yep.

01;14;11;26 - 01;14;28;11 Michelle Yep. And you need to learn your job as CEO. That's the problem is most of us don't actually have never been trained well. CEOs just don't step into their position. They have a lot of training in order to do that. So that's what I hope to do is to actually train you to be a CEO. I love that.

01;14;28;14 - 01;14;29;15 Michelle Awesome.

01;14;29;17 - 01;14;35;19 Seth So when shall we anticipate the release of the new book, Living Well with Doctor Michelle?

01;14;35;19 - 01;14;54;10 Michelle So preorders should start in October or November. So soon? A couple months and that's what I'm going to get all the charity information out. Because again any people that you tell about it say I heard about it from this podcast or this whatever it might be, the charities donated in your name to whatever charity you know, this water charity, I love it.

01;14;54;10 - 01;15;05;13 Michelle I absolutely love it because this is information that we need to train people how to be the CEO of the body. So preorders this fall book will be out in May of 2025.

01;15;05;15 - 01;15;06;11 Seth Awesome.

01;15;06;13 - 01;15;09;05 Michelle But I'm going to be talking a lot about it until then.

01;15;09;08 - 01;15;12;24 Michelle Coming soon. Yes. Yep.

01;15;12;26 - 01;15;16;22 Seth And cut. It's a wrap.

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